Boat Insurance & Blame Culture

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Due to a happy circumstance, whilst waiting about the other day I had the opportunity to read the International Boat Industry trade paper. An article caught my eye re the Blame Culture that is becoming ever more prevalent in any matters with Insurance.

Chris Knox-Johnston marketing manager at British marine insurer Haven Knox-Johnston - a Division of Amlin Marine Services Limited, member of the General Insurance Standards Council, and a subsidiary of Amlin Underwriting Limited was quoted as being increasingly alarmed and concerned that the rise in leisure boating Insurance premiums was due to "claims" based around the "no win, no fee" basis.

There was mentioned an incident recorded where a leisure skipper whilst returning to his mooring had asked his "friend crew" to put fenders along the starboard side for mooring. As they approached a gust of wind started slowly to push the boat to port, thus the skipper asked for a fender to be taken from starboard to port. The Friend Crew obliged but as he did so slipped on the foredeck and fell on one knee, picked himself up attached fender to port side and all was well. Two years later the skipper received a writ claiming that he was negligent as he had not ensured fenders were in the right place when required! The friend crew won the case and was awarded damages slightly below the maximum permissible under the 1976 London convention. The liability is limited currently, by law, under this convention to a cap of about GBP225,000 for any one accident irrespective of the number of people involved or the total amount of loss or damage.

Knox Johnson goes on to explain that this cap is about to change and will soon be in certain circumstances capped at £2.7 million!! This will of course encourage ever more claims against "leisure boaters"

Thus to my question, in the panels opinion should we as part of our "welcome aboard" tour and "introduction" add to the W.C/Head rules, the life jacket at all times, stand back let the crew operate etc speech. That, as in Motor Racing and other "Dangerous Sports", guests are made aware that boating can be dangerous and that they embark with us "at their own risk!" ??

This article had a particular resonance for me as acquaintances of ours have just lost a case where a "friend" who attended a dinner party at their home, fell off her chair during dinner and whilst being offered full medical attention, copious TLC etc for what seemed a very minor fall, then after continuing to enjoy an evenings hospitality, sued for substantial damages loss of earnings etc. and as I say, Won.

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Coming from a background of flying it's something we've been dealing with for a long time!! Some pilots used to use a system of "Blood Chit's" in an attempt to curtail their liabilities towards passengers, this was however proven to be worthless during an injuries court case in the late eighties. Negligence is the real problem thus leading to liability. The answer is..... I wish I knew.......

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With friends like that who needs enemies. The shape of things to come I'm afraid. I blame the Yanks and the ambulance chasing lawyer syndrome.

I was helping out on Forbsies boat. I got injured requiring hospital attention, a dose of arc eye and various other ailments such as brain damage from the drinks he plied me with at lunchtime. Yet how could I call myself a "friend" if I took him to court for compensation. It didn't even enter my head. Though come to think of it I have been looking at a rather nice Draco.............!!!

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So the " Welcome aboard Speech" To mean anything, should have your guest signing a disclaimer at the end, To which accept all responsability!!!!!! I doudt even that would work.

I had an accident at work last year, resulting with me getting a broken wrist. Plastered for 6wks. I was absolutely amazed at the amount of people, who came up and said to me, "You have a good claim there against your company"..
That seems to be the first thing people think about these days, Oh Claim,, MONEY MONEY MONEY.
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ah but!

Well, actually Alistair, since you own the company you should have claimed. The company would have got a tax deduction for the pay out to you whereas injury comp is tax-free in your hands. Much more tax efficient than paying yourself salary or dividends.... :)

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Re: ah but!

Really, I didn't know that/forums/images/icons/crazy.gif. So how much is a broken wrist worth??

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Re: ah but!

You sure about that, must have words with the accountant now that Blair has closed the little hole. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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Re: ah but!

100% sure. Assuming of course it's a genuine claim and payout.

As you say Blair+Brown have closed the £10k tax free gizmo but alas I dont think it makes sense to have a "convenient" £10k accident at work (at your own company!) every year, I'm talking about proper claims......

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Re: Just a thought

but could the boat owner counter sue for anxiety, distress and psychological stress brough on by being sued?



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Re: Just a thought

You really dont understand what this is about, do you? If you were able to sue for the stress of being sued, that would reduce the number of cases in the first place and hence th fees involved. So no - you are no more allowed to do that, than you are allowed to willingly give up your right to sue.

Dont confuse the legal system with justice. Its one enormous gravy train.

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Re: Just a thought

Understand it only too well

Its about greed

The desire for easy money

Like football pools,

national lottery

horse racing

pyramid selling

every get rich quick scheme you ever heard of

No-pay - no fee was introduced with the intention of allowing people other than the very rich and very poor to have access to the legal system.

And we know where the road lined with good intentions leads.

Easy to blame lawyers but in the end it is the client who instructs.

Sorry if this sounds like defending lawyers it isn't meant that way and its not something I would normally choose to do.

I am with the judge who complained that he had to spend his working life among the dregs of society...................and their clients.

But if people are willing to cheat their friends, or even aquaintances, who do them a favour just to get their hands on a few quid then hard to tell who is worse.

I am coming to the conclusion that irony is wasted on this forum.

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