Boat in build pics (2013 Fairline Squadron 78)

[jfm]

Is the picture of the cockpit from Match 1? If so, weren't those flybridge stairs also custom designed? What's the plan for Match 2 stairs?

White caulking looks fantastic, IMHO

No that was just a photo off the internet showing the standard stairs. Match1 (pic below) had similar stairs but with rectangular steps not cathode-ray-tube shaped steps.

Several sq78s have been built since Match1 with the rectangular treads because they look much better.

Match2 will have a completely cutom/unique design. CAD pic below. There is one other s78 built about a year ago with somewhat similar stairs on a single central spine but Match2's are quite different in terms of angle/geometry, lots of details, and downlighting

 

[Elessar]

As for future wiring, the whole boat is fitted (as standard spec) with perhaps a dozen or so 30mm dia plastic ducts with pull-through cord mousing. you can retro-run a wire from anywhere to anywhere, literally. Pic below is one of the mouse junctions on Match 1

fantastic.

I did some wiring on a fairline fly recently - a new one 55 ft ish can't rmemeber exactly what - and it was a nightmare. Had to do way too much dismantling for what was a brand new boat.

The pipe and cord system is just perfect.

 

[dustywings]

Another +1 for the white caulking, I have to say I was rather sceptical but seeing it now it looks great and especially suited I think to the med - might lose a bit of its appeal on a cold rainy day in Cowes! Thanks for putting so much effort into this thread!

 

[Trundlebug]

Stairs are a great improvement. A much cleaner, neater design.
Somehow more substantial but looking like they float on air - clever stuff.

I'm also a fan of the white caulking, I think it looks great but just glad it's not me tasked with keeping it clean

 

[erik_plus8]

Yes, thanks for the explanation about the stairs, I thought the "hanging" design in the cockpit picture was a custom item on Match 1 and not series. I can imagine though that the rectangular treads looked much better than the oval ones. But the Match 2 stairs will definitely be "one step further" in design

 

[petem]

Tee hee. As I recall, on match 1 they forgot the bath. As the deck was being lowered onto the hull someone was screeching in a Fairline van to the plumbers to buy a bath

Wot, you mean you didn't spec the bath! Surely you'll be rectifying this in Mz?

 

[jfm]

Wot, you mean you didn't spec the bath! Surely you'll be rectifying this in Mz?

:?? Both Match 1+2 had/will have jacuzzi bath. Match1 is below. Match 2 will have sevaral design differences compared with this including black and grey mosaic tiles with white-gold sparkly bits hand made by MapisM's artisan countrymen and with "MM Approved" stickers on each one.

 

[Danchc]

I can't help wondering how many parts Match 2 has.

The space shuttle has more than 2.5 million parts, including almost 370 kilometers (230 miles) of wire, more than 1,060 plumbing valves and connections, and over 1,440 circuit breakers.

Can Match 2 match this?

 

[MapisM]

hand made by MapisM's artisan countrymen and with "MM Approved" stickers on each one.

LOL, yeah, hard to forget that one, considering that I've got the same Bisazza mosaic at home.
In blue shades though, just to get some sort of sea feeling also in wintertime...
If you're following the same route again, I suppose it worked well on M1.
I would have feared that the somewhat flexible structures of a boat could create some adhesion problems to mosaic.

Oh, and talking of stickers, told 'ya that I was going to develop the idea.
I even considered a full fledged "1 to 6" stars rating, but eventually thought to limit it to a 3 levels, traffic light-inspired ranking...
...and here's the result:

Re. caulking, I rest my case on black being the only colour belonging to proper marine decks.
But I can't deny that the aesthetic result ain't bad.
Sort of "each to their own" thing - hence the classification:

Can't remember if I already criticised the old cockpit stair on M1, but looking at it now it's definitely overdesigned.
And it miserably fails on its goal of appearing "suspended", due to the excess of s/steel.
Besides, I bet it wasn't be as stiff as it should.
The new one, on the other hand, is much better!
Just a thought, couldn't the central spine be made completely straight - i.e. also in the upper step. which is vertical in the drawing?
Anyway, it definitely deserves another...

Finally, there's another rating which springs to my mind, and it's not just to introduce also the last of my brand new stickers, honest!

You already know my viewpoint on hull windows, which are one of the things I would never spec on my boat no matter how well designed.
Anyway, also leaving my radical/luddite thinking aside, and accepting (which I don't) that the view/light is worth the hassle of having them, I'm afraid that at FL they really didn't squeeze their brains enough, and should go back to the drawing board.
Not only they are fugly when seen from the outside (as most other hull windows are, TBH), but also from the interior, URGH...!
With all due respect, don't they remind you of a commuter train wagon?

 

[benjenbav]

I rather like those windows but, chacun à son gout

 

[petem]

I was thinking something more like this....

 

[petem]

MM's Garfield is fun though!

 

[STEVEDUNSTABLE]

Here are a few updates. I'm going to the factory in a few days so will get more details then.

Here are the tabs (and Lumishore lights). Looking good, and I hope they meet with MapisM approval (they cost enough MapisM...!). (We should get some MM stickers made ). They are all same-metal ss, position sensors, auto retract when engines off, and considerably stronger than Match1's partly plastic installation, about which MapisM's predictions (=not really good enough) turned out to be right . Pic also shows shafts and P brackets installed

Below is the custom transom window for the crew cabin. Looks very nice and flush/neat

Below is an overview of the hull. It has all the liner moulds in. This is first s78 to have white gelcoat on liners; they are usually cream but that contravenes my "no cream" rule in this boat. Needs some internal bulkheads in the accom space, 3rd fuel tank, a couple of engines, and then the top goes on

Here is the flybridge deck/saloon lid, with the main deck moulding/hull to the left/right. This lid will go on the deck in next couple of days they say

Below is the soft patch in case the engines ever have to come out through the roof, (=nightmare scenario)

And a close up of the flybridge deck underside. It is GRP-rigid foam-GRP cored sandwich with stiffeners, and the little squares are ali blocks to be drilled and tapped, to attach flybridge furniture etc. Fairline are fastidious about watertightness and so only use the drill+tap method, with the holes tapped blind not right through. This method can never leak, whereas through-bolting with sealant and penny washers (as used by many of not most other builders) can leak after a long time or if someone maintaining the boat makes a mistake or something

Finally these are the fuel tanks across the front of the engine room.

Timingwise we are about 3 weeks from hull-out-of-mould and 8 weeks from gelcoat-painted-into-mould

Hi JFM.... hope all is well... following this thread is great and i spend a lot of time trucking on the motorways thinking "now, iffffffffff, that was my boat, how would i do stuff??"....... ANYWAY.........QUESTION for your expertise and knowledge, the pic with the trim tabs and rams, i notice that the rams are "recessed" into the transom...is this to spread the load on the through bolts or to get a better "purchase" on the transom or, etc etc also, are the rams electric or hydraulic as i cant see any cabling or wiring..(sorry if this has been covered earlyer) cheers and please keep the pics coming.. TA.

 

[vas]

just back from a few days away and a lot of progress JFM, well done

I'm afraid I agree on most respects with mr MM, dunno if that's a good thing though

J, on M3 (or will it be Me ), can I have a go for a day or so on your CAD stair drawing plz? got a few ideas as:

• For starters the pillar (which I fully agree with MM should finish straight on the f/b ending!) to step support is NOT taking the forces as elegantly as it could
• I don't particularly like the ss bottom of each step (sorry I know it's good and clean but not imho structurally necessary!)
• the short bit of pillar sized section supporting each step is... I don't know how to describe it! (er, structurally necessary but otoh visually bulky)

Regarding the main cabin windows, do they really really need the 50mm strip of grp between them??? Why don't they scrap these bits and you get a nice massive window whatever shape you wish (moreorless!) and you get some nice thin/much stronger than GRP steel/alloy frame supports painted black or whatever so that they don't visually interfere that much? I guess again they'll be happier to do that come M3

the 30mm ducts are they blocked on the ends if not used to avoid fumes passing from e/r to cabins fe?

enough for sunday morning, got to do some work

cheers

V.

 

[MapisM]

I'm afraid I agree on most respects with mr MM, dunno if that's a good thing though

'salright, as long as you don't kiss me...

Btw, I also agree with your further comments on the stairs, particularly re.the short square tube supporting each step.
On second thought, J, is there any reason why it couldn't be built exactly as the internal one?

 

[jfm]

I would have feared that the somewhat flexible structures of a boat could create some adhesion problems to mosaic.

Re. caulking, I rest my case on black being the only colour belonging to proper marine decks.
But I can't deny that the aesthetic result ain't bad.

Can't remember if I already criticised the old cockpit stair on M1, but looking at it now it's definitely overdesigned.
And it miserably fails on its goal of appearing "suspended", due to the excess of s/steel.
Besides, I bet it wasn't be as stiff as it should.
The new one, on the other hand, is much better!
Just a thought, couldn't the central spine be made completely straight - i.e. also in the upper step. which is vertical in the drawing?

Not only they are fugly when seen from the outside (as most other hull windows are, TBH), but also from the interior, URGH...!
With all due respect, don't they remind you of a commuter train wagon?

Hiya MapisM. I love the Garfield stickers. Also the traffic lights system is good - being Italian I suppose that means you can go on red?

In answer to a few Qs:
Bisazza tiles and flexing of a boat: it wasn't a prob on Match 1. They used the epoxy adhesive+grout as supplied by Bisazza, and the plywood is curved therefore stiff in one plane, and the whole boat is stiffer than many due to internal moulding construction, and they are midships, etc etc. It was all fine on Match 1; no cracks

Glad you like the white caulk. At least aesthetically (which was the reason for choosing it; I couldnt care less if it lasts 8 years not 10, or whatever)

TheM1 stairs were suprisingly stiff, btw. On the new staircase I agree it would look better without the vertical part of the spine. It's a compromise. The vertical spine section allows the second step to have its forward edge right up close to the glass patio door, which in turn moves the footprint of the bottom step further forward, by something like 150-200mm, hence more deck space. With a perfectly straight spine the bottom step would eat up more deck space (for the same angle, which is a non negotiable number in my book becuase they are horrible if too steep). So the kink in the spine is a price I have paid to make more deck space. When I build an 80 metre not 80 footer the spines will be straight

Hull windows: each to their own - they look good from outside imho, pic below I take your point on the interior view but with respect you are missing the point: with massive hull windows you're looking at the sea (100X better than thru small windows) not the window frames

 

[jfm]

Hi JFM.... hope all is well... following this thread is great and i spend a lot of time trucking on the motorways thinking "now, iffffffffff, that was my boat, how would i do stuff??"....... ANYWAY.........QUESTION for your expertise and knowledge, the pic with the trim tabs and rams, i notice that the rams are "recessed" into the transom...is this to spread the load on the through bolts or to get a better "purchase" on the transom or, etc etc also, are the rams electric or hydraulic as i cant see any cabling or wiring..(sorry if this has been covered earlyer) cheers and please keep the pics coming.. TA.

Hi Steve
No particular logic on recessed trim tabs. I think MM asked the same Q. They used to be fully recessed, but on Match 1 they changed the hull mould to bring the tabs aftwards to a better "stick out" position, which gives more surface area/more lift. All Sq78 after Match 1 also had the new set up, including Match2. So there is really no logic other than partly to tuck them in so they look neater

The rams are double acting hydraulic but all the oilways are machined into the metalwork (including machined into the top pivot) with hoses only located inside the hull. This aspect is a properly clever bit of engineering and design by bennett and I'm not sure if any other ram maker is as clever on this score

 

[jfm]

Btw, I also agree with your further comments on the stairs, particularly re.the short square tube supporting each step.
On second thought, J, is there any reason why it couldn't be built exactly as the internal one?

No reason. I just wanted a straight spine look as per the CAD drawing above. But sure, yes, it could have been done zig-zag like the internal stairs

 

[petem]

Christ, they've made good progress this week!

 

[volvopaul]

It all looks great so far John, everything is so clinically clean, I'd love to see the engines go in , can't wait for the pics.