Boat in build pics (2013 Fairline Squadron 78)

[jfm]

Please do, I'm curious.
But I must admit that while the idea popped to my mind while looking at jfm pics, I actually understand his decision of not implementing a full domotic system onboard. Aside from the potentially horrendous costs, also reliability might be an issue in a salty environment, I suppose.

That said, I also decided to go that way when I built my house, back in 2006. But I did as a DIY job, sort of.
I asked the electrician to prepare just all the cabling, and I took care of selecting and installing all EIB-KNX component. But the real fun started when I had to dig into the ETS software to program the stuff: it took me quite some sleepless nights to understand the software first, and then program all the functions I had in mind.

But it does work nicely, and I had zero faults in the components so far, touch wood...
Besides, the possibilities are endless. I can also connect remotely and check/operate anything - lights, awnings, alarm, you name it...

I did the same in a housebuild, also around 2006 MapisM. FWIW I specced www.modelighting.co.uk but there are plenty of manufacturers. If you took the time to program it all (or get some else to...), you could from any lightswitch or (with more functionality) from any AMX/Crestron screen around the house control almost anything. As you walk in the door you could turn on a preset scene turning on lights in several rooms. Blinds/curtains would operate automatically. All that kind of thing.

But the cost/complexity was huge. Nice sexy thing to have, but imho it feels pointless on a 24m boat - it would be a solution looking for a problem. Separate switches for each lighting circuit makes perfect sense on something as small as a boat, imho. But I'd be interested to hear the contrary argument. Remember also that on a boat you have master switches on the main distribution panels to turn on/off "all cabin lights" or whatever, which makes the marginal benefits of domotics even smaller.

I do have (oceanair) electric roman blinds in the master cabin though on both M1 and M2: from a remote I can open them in the morning to look at the anchorage without getting out of bed

 

[jfm]

jfm, if I may just make one petty criticism, every time I read your thread , I cant get this song out of my head, why oh why did you have to paint oompa lompas into all your shots , you can see the white gel going in @ 0:30

Ah sorry. TBH willy wonka has always kinda passed me by so I didn't realise the gravity of what I was doing till you pointed it out . In future I'll photoshop faces of margaret thatcher or the royal family or something onto Fairline boatbuilders, to avoid this unfortunate problem

 

[rwoofer]

Given the tremendous level of attention to detail you have on boat builds I reckon that once you retire from the day job that you do, you could set yourself up as a boat designer for the discerning.

There must be a tremendous learning curve in getting to where you are and it would be a shame to waste it just on yourself!

 

[vas]

it would be a shame to waste it just on yourself!

I'd agree if he did do as you say, but I mean, just look at the two built threads and his contributions to others, he clearly's not doing that!
Apart from being mystic on the seacock arrangement on this aftdeck drain
[I'll be finding ways of coming back to this JFM, so better spit it out NOW ]

V.

 

[wakeup]

I do have (oceanair) electric roman blinds in the master cabin though on both M1 and M2: from a remote I can open them in the morning to look at the anchorage without getting out of bed

That is very James Bond Jfm.

 

[jfm]

Apart from being mystic on the seacock arrangement on this aftdeck drain
[I'll be finding ways of coming back to this JFM, so better spit it out NOW ]

I'm not being mystic! It needs a diagram to explain it properly. There is a deck hatch right in middle of my aft deck- crew cabin emergency escape. It has the usual gutter around the edge and drains in the corners. The pipes from the drains would normally go to a skin fitting on side of hull. But because of my crew cabin design there is not a neat way to run the pipe to the side of the boat and a skin fitting. I know that sounds a bit unbelievable but really there isn't! So the drain pipe/hose goes vertically down, sort of embedded in the crew cabin wall, to a little seacock near the keel. Bit of a compromise, and easy to criticise if you haven't weighed up all the things you have to weigh up when doing these compromises in boat design, but if we were on the boat and I was pointing out the constraints in designing this little thing, you'd probably agree with me.

So the seacock is basically a "cost" of my crew cabin layout, but I like the layout more than I like eliminating one little seacock

 

[vas]

I'm not being mystic! It needs a diagram to explain it properly. There is a deck hatch right in middle of my aft deck- crew cabin emergency escape. It has the usual gutter around the edge and drains in the corners. The pipes from the drains would normally go to a skin fitting on side of hull. But because of my crew cabin design there is not a neat way to run the pipe to the side of the boat and a skin fitting. I know that sounds a bit unbelievable but really there isn't! So the drain pipe/hose goes vertically down, sort of embedded in the crew cabin wall, to a little seacock near the keel. Bit of a compromise, and easy to criticise if you haven't weighed up all the things you have to weigh up when doing these compromises in boat design, but if we were on the boat and I was pointing out the constraints in designing this little thing, you'd probably agree with me.

So the seacock is basically a "cost" of my crew cabin layout, but I like the layout more than I like eliminating one little seacock

see, it was easy and v.clear, don't you feel better now?

OK, I see the point not much you can do other than move the hatch to a more convenient spot which probably is neither easy or convenient...

cheers

V.

 

[MapisM]

Remember also that on a boat you have master switches on the main distribution panels to turn on/off "all cabin lights" or whatever, which makes the marginal benefits of domotics even smaller.

Actually, that's one thing which would simplify a domotic installation, 'cause you could concentrate all the switch actuators in the same panel.

Re. the contrary argument, there isn't any strong one of course, but afaik the demand for such type of installation is growing (and the components cost is going down) also in the boating industry.
Therefore, it could have been another sort of bet on future re-saleability, along the lines of white caulking etc.

Besides, scenarios can make some sense also on a boat, though of course their value is up to individual evaluation.
For instance, you might be interested to turn on Ravel's Boléro in the master cabin, dim the lights, lower the blinds, have u/w lights outside tuned to the music, and set the zero speed stabs in test mode to make the boat roll, all at the touch of a button...

 

[MapisM]

I know that sounds a bit unbelievable but really there isn't!

Blimey, that does sound weird, but I take your word for it of course.
Wasn't it possible to route the drain pipe to the crew area shower discharge?
Even when rinsing the boat, the water quantity flowing from that hatch can't be huge...
Just a thought.

 

[jfm]

Blimey, that does sound weird, but I take your word for it of course.
Wasn't it possible to route the drain pipe to the crew area shower discharge?
Even when rinsing the boat, the water quantity flowing from that hatch can't be huge...
Just a thought.

Yes it would and funnily enough that occured to me recently. It's a good idea and on reflection i probably should have done that. It's hard to concentrate on all these points, and the day job (!) and I didn't give this enough attention. The water quantities are tiny - no rain cos the flybridge overhang covers it - therefore well within the power of a shower sump pump. I'll ask them if they have drilled the hull for the seacock yet...
Thanks!

 

[jfm]

The tender has just been finished at Novurania in Florida and the very nice and helpful people there sent me pics taken today. Novurania and their dealer Esprit Nautics are an all-round nice crowd to deal with and nothing is too much trouble. They answer all techy questions same day, accurately. Highly recommended, and of course each tender is hand built to order so you can spec a lot of details the way you want them, incl colours. Both the hypalon and the white GRP are cold white, matched to Fairline's gelcoat. A lot of tenders that you think are white turn out to be a bit cream (like Match 1's) or light grey

The tender is being wrapped and put on a cradle then into a 20foot container tomorrow, and should arrive in Felixstowe in about 3 weeks from whence it will go to Essex Boatyards.

It will be modded a bit in Essex so the final job wont be quite as in these pics. The upholstery is being changed to silver movida and the top half of the dash (from the black waistband upwards) will be disassembled and reworked completely: made wider and reshaped, Yamaha screens and switches moved up to top panel, Garmin plotter and VHF fitted to (widened) main panel, new screen and s/s bar, Lumishore uw lights, covers made, etc

The yammie motor looks lovely - it's their ultra light 70hp 4cyl efi 4T that is far and away the lightest 70hp on the market, and there is a 10 gal or so fuel tank under the floor towards the bow. The tender is the 4.3m model ("430DL") so it's a bit longer than Match 1's tender (4.1m)

 

[rafiki_]

This tender looks fantastic John. Should go like stink too

On your drain hose routings, I'm intrigued why you speccd the route, why didn't the Fairline Engineers not sort the best route for the boat?

 

[jfm]

This tender looks fantastic John. Should go like stink too

On your drain hose routings, I'm intrigued why you speccd the route, why didn't the Fairline Engineers not sort the best route for the boat?

They did spec it, and I concurred. It's really the only route for the pipe. Hard to explain all the why-nots; you need to be on the boat to see all the constraints. Mapis's idea makes good sense though...

On the tender, has anyone had a yammy outboard with a black prop? I thought they were always white. Anyone know why this one would be black? The 70hp has the gearbox off the 80hp, mated to the leg and engine of the 60hp made into 70hp with a new 4 valve head

 

[STEVEDUNSTABLE]

The tender has just been finished at Novurania in Florida and the very nice and helpful people there sent me pics taken today. Novurania and their dealer Esprit Natics are an all-round nice crowd to deal with and nothing is too much trouble. They answer all techy questions same day, accurately. Highly recommended, and of course each tender is hand built to order so you can spec a lot of details the way you want them, incl colours. Both the hypalon and the white GRP are cold white, matched to Fairline's gelcoat. A lot of tenders that you think are white turn out to be a bit cream (like Match 1's) or light grey

The tender is being wrapped and put on a cradle then into a 20foot container tomorrow, and should arrive in Felixstowe in about 3 weeks from whence it will go to Essex Boatyards.

It will be modded a bit in Essex so the final job wont be quite as in these pics. The upholstery is being changed to silver movida and the top half of the dash (from the black waistband upwards) will be disassembled and reworked completely: made wider and reshaped, Yamaha screens and switches moved up to top panel, Garmin plotter and VHF fitted to (widened) main panel, new screen and s/s bar, Lumishore uw lights, covers made, etc

The yammie motor looks lovely - it's their ultra light 70hp 4cyl efi 4T that is far and away the lightest 70hp on the market, and there is a 10 gal or so fuel tank under the floor towards the bow. The tender is the 4.3m model ("430DL") so it's a bit longer than Match 1's tender (4.1m)

hi jfm...... WOW !!!... thats some "tender"!!!!!..... love the "white chaulking" on the "deckings"!!!.....LOVEIT !! nevermind "modding" the dash, i,d be more than happy as it is !!! IMHO.......

 

[BartW]

This is a really nice tender, I like that !!!
70Hp you can kick some arse with this,
My 4m novurania has only got 30Hp, and I can pull a skier, and go on the plane loaded with 5 divers,
yes I would like to have a few more Hp, so that I can pull a slalom skier out of the hole while wearing only one ski ;-)

But more then double power ?
are you sure this is still save

one of my diving friends has a 5m (lightweight) Rib / 90Hp 2 stroke, mmmm that’s fun

 

[Whopper]

John love the tender. I had my own ideas for a tender which I will now keep silent until Match 3. One idea though would be a more usable towing point above the outboard for skiing etc. Might be a nice project for EBY.

 

[jfm]

John love the tender. I had my own ideas for a tender which I will now keep silent until Match 3. One idea though would be a more usable towing point above the outboard for skiing etc. Might be a nice project for EBY.

Dont keep silent! There's still time to mod it! Ski pole is nice but it gets in way of the cover a bit and you have to do some chunky fixing work to make it strong enough. I'll look when I actually get to see this machine TBH I only ski a few times a year

 

[JClarkes]

An incredible build thread. Must keep an eye on this thread also.
Your tender is superb.

 

[Danchc]

I know it's not standard, but I would have thought you would have specced lights on your tender. Not necessarily a full set of navigation lights, but something.

They are required if you tow your tender, yes/no?

Lumishore do underwater lights for ribs. Also surprised you did not have any of those. Though they are for decoration, can still be useful if anyone goes diving off a rib.

 

[jfm]

70Hp you can kick some arse with this,
But more then double power ?
are you sure this is still save

I know Bart but the 70hp is the same engine/weight as the 50hp, and is therefore irresistable. It's just a lovely thing; I'm a sucker and couldn't resist it. I'll drive carefully and might fit a throttle stop for guests.

Novu tell me have built 6 with this motor, this is the 7th. They say it is ok, but you need to be careful. The CE plate on the boat certifies the 70hp and 7pax, which is quite handy becuase the French police sometimes check and also my insurers cannot walk away by saying I "exceeded the plate data". All very nice