Blue Card

[macd]

So by my calculations, a yacht with 4 people on board sailing for 3 days in between pump-outs would br expected to have recorded 540 ltr of waste water having been pumped.

How many yachts have 540 ltr holding tanks ?

Can I suggest the obvious solution, which will give you a holding tank of roughly 3,000,000,000,000 litres:
pump-out fitting on deck, connected to pipe which runs to sea-cock underwater. That's it.

That will allow them to pump out the entire Mediterranean if they wish to. I doubt there's any inspection of the stuff that's pumped out?

No reason you can't have/keep your sensibly-sized holding tank, too

 

[Appleyard]

Can I suggest the obvious solution, which will give you a holding tank of roughly 3,000,000,000,000 litres:
pump-out fitting on deck, connected to pipe which runs to sea-cock underwater. That's it.

That will allow them to pump out the entire Mediterranean if they wish to. I doubt there's any inspection of the stuff that's pumped out?

No reason you can't have/keep your sensibly-sized holding tank, too

Funnily enough I have been thinking along these lines as well.

Our h/tank is only 60 litres,so no way could we fit the seeming requirements.
I have a pump out fitting into the tank,and envisage pumping away at the bog while the tank is being emptied,and SWMBO keeping her eye on the meter ,telling me to stop when we have reached the required volume. And it will be a brave man who wants to inspect the contents after I have been there.

Should work?!

 

[macd]

Funnily enough I have been thinking along these lines as well... Should work?!

Good to know I'm not completely batty. Seems the simplest solution by miles, but perhaps some thoughts from someone who's endured a Turkish pump-out would be helpful.

In fact, come to think of it, if you simply left your outlet sea-cock open while they were pumping out, wouldn't it give them all the 'black water' they could possibly desire? Mine's a simple gravity holding tank above the waterline; it would certainly work with that, although I might have to delegate someone to sit on the Lavac lid to prevent them pumping air.)

 

[affinite]

Its worse than that

Funnily enough I have been thinking along these lines as well.

Our h/tank is only 60 litres,so no way could we fit the seeming requirements.
I have a pump out fitting into the tank,and envisage pumping away at the bog while the tank is being emptied,and SWMBO keeping her eye on the meter ,telling me to stop when we have reached the required volume. And it will be a brave man who wants to inspect the contents after I have been there.

Should work?!

Id love to be told Im wrong but I understand that the coastguard can also check the capacity of your holding tank in order to verify that it can carry 45ltr x no adults x days from last pump out. With 2 adults youd be expected to pump out your tank every day !
Bonkers

 

[truscott]

There is some good info available over at cruisersforum and noonsite.

I have been one of the folk here that has worried about this, but having read what's been posted on noonsite and at cruisersforum, and spoken to a few other people, including folk who have there boat based in Gocek where this was initially focused, I'm planning to keep the boat in Marmaris for another year at least.

Perhaps some of the FUD will dissipate over the year.

PT.

 

[Pinetops]

At the Boat Show on the Turkey Unlimited stand I spoke at some length with the manager of Kas marina. He gave me to understand that at (recent?) meetings with the Authorities the marina operators had been assured that, whilst the regulations were now in force, the aspects relating to grey water tanks would not be applied at least during 2012 whilst subject to review.

I do not know if Marmaris Chamber of Shipping were on the same stand, and I now regret not casting around further. The 45 litre pppd mentioned by affinite is a realistic assessment of the quantity of black, grey, showering, and flushing (sea) water which would finish up in a tank if it was all collected. (Our domestic water bill is much higher than that). But of course it is completely impractical and unecessary to tank all the water on board.

So the encouraging news about grey water is totally negated by the 45 litre test.

Any other recent feedback most welcome
Pinetops

 

[steveallan]

The 45 litre pppd mentioned by affinite is a realistic assessment of the quantity of black, grey, showering, and flushing (sea) water which would finish up in a tank if it was all collected.
Any other recent feedback most welcome
Pinetops[/QUOTE]

Its more than double our usage

 

[Pinetops]

With my wife and I on board our 400 litres of fresh water lasts us about 7 days unless we use ablution facilites ashore. So that is about 25 - 30 litres pppd for everything including showers but excluding the toilet. We could be a bit more frugal. However, to this must be added the sea water used for flushing liquid and solid sewage out of the heads. Even if we only clear the pan and leave sewage in the pipes betwen pumping this will add quite a bit and most of us probably flush the pipes through. I wonder if you are taking this into account steveallen? And what about laundry?

Pinetops

 

[Dig]

We will return to Marmaris at the end of March to get our boat up and running for the summer,we are planning to sail in Turkish waters for a 14 week Holiday,
would like to ask ,will we only be aloud to stay in Turkey for 90 days???? as i see on some posts you must leave and stay out of the country for 90 days before you can return, and do we have to fit tanks for the Blue card and checks that i hear are done by Coast Guard if you get stopped ,we British citizens ?

 

[Squeaky]

Good morning:

The 90/180 visa regs seem to be firmly in place which means you can only spend 90 days out of every 180 in Turkey regardless of how many times you come and go. There is a calculator in the Bodrum Bulletin which might be very useful rather than trying to count on your fingers - http://www.bodrumbulletin.com/community/calculators/turkish-tourist-visa-calculator

There has been no great activity by any of the charter fleets to install any additional tankage that I have noticed so I suspect that the "Blue Card" law is another of the laws that will remain on the books as do so many laws in Turkey to be used only when you annoy someone in authority.

I remain of the opinion that the "Blue Card" was a bright idea of a gang from the Fethiye area who got the governor in Mugla to sign the law without realizing what he was doing in hopes that they could fill their pockets. It is just about as stupid a law as it is possible to imagine and totally unworkable.

Cheers

Squeaky

 

[Appleyard]

Good morning:

The 90/180 visa regs seem to be firmly in place which means you can only spend 90 days out of every 180 in Turkey regardless of how many times you come and go. There is a calculator in the Bodrum Bulletin which might be very useful rather than trying to count on your fingers - http://www.bodrumbulletin.com/community/calculators/turkish-tourist-visa-calculator

There has been no great activity by any of the charter fleets to install any additional tankage that I have noticed so I suspect that the "Blue Card" law is another of the laws that will remain on the books as do so many laws in Turkey to be used only when you annoy someone in authority.

I remain of the opinion that the "Blue Card" was a bright idea of a gang from the Fethiye area who got the governor in Mugla to sign the law without realizing what he was doing in hopes that they could fill their pockets. It is just about as stupid a law as it is possible to imagine and totally unworkable.

Cheers

Squeaky

I put my intended dates for this year into the calculator ,and lo& behold I find that we will actually reach 90 days exactly ,with no slack.

However the intention is to sail over to Greece for four weeks,returning to Turkey afterwards. I assume that provided we get our passports stamped with the exit/entry dates,this time will be in effect deducted from the 90 days and will make our actual stay in Turkey well within the limit.

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Squeaky]

Good Morning:

jamesmar: However the intention is to sail over to Greece for four weeks,returning to Turkey afterwards. I assume that provided we get our passports stamped with the exit/entry dates,this time will be in effect deducted from the 90 days and will make our actual stay in Turkey well within the limit.

As I understand the rules you can spend 90 days including the arrival and departure dates in Turkey during any 180 day period so if you arrive and spent a month in Turkey before going to Greece for a month you will be able to return and spend two more months in Turkey. In other words any time out of Turkey during the 180 day period from the date when the visa is issued does not count towards the 90 days total. You can have your 90 days period any way you want - week in, week out, week in but you will not get another visa until 180 days after the date of issue.

I suggest you pump your dates into the visa calculator and see what you come up with. On arrival I would check with the passport people after you have settled in to check your plans with them to make sure that your and my understanding is correct.

Cheers

Squeaky

P.S. Isn't the new practice of attaching a link to certain words in the post such as "visa" above annoying as heck. Noticed this in several web sites recently and it certainly p****s me off.

 

[Appleyard]

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I suggest you pump your dates into the visa calculator and see what you come up with. On arrival I would check with the passport people after you have settled in to check your plans with them to make sure that your and my understanding is correct.

Cheers

Squeaky

P.S. Isn't the new practice of attaching a link to certain words in the post such as "visa" above annoying as heck. Noticed this in several web sites recently and it certainly p****s me off.[/QUOTE]

As I said above,I did indeed pump my dates in...and found that we will be exactly 90 days in Turkey,unless we leave and take some time in Greece,which is the intention.
The calculator is very useful.

 

[Dig]

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What is new on the first of April? do we have to fit more big tanks now for all gray water ????? how much will the fine be if a little water goes in the sea?

 

[jimbaerselman]

Nothing is changing. It has always been forbidden to discharge waste which might pollute Turkish territorial waters. The occasional flotilla boat was being fined in 1984 after being "shopped" by the occasional Gulet skipper for showering on deck using stuff that caused bubbles to float away on the surface.

The problem is defining pollution - and whether it's a matter of degree or not.

Control systems are being trialled in the Mugla region which treat all liquid waste as pollution. Small yachts don't collect washing up or shower water for later disposal; they don't have space. So most only collect toilet output in holding tanks.

There's a potential conflict here between waste disposal policing systems, and what leisure craft can do. Discussions are still taking place . . .

 

[akyaka]

Control systems are being trialled in the Mugla region which treat all liquid waste as pollution.

The trial system in Mugla Province that was promulgated last year was postponed because the pump out infrastructure was not in place. I have seen little attempt to rectify this subsequently.

 

[tonybannister]

Nothing has changed as yet. The meeting is to discuss the concerns and seek clarification. Our marina manager will be attending at Kas marina. What is hoped for is clarification of what boats owners have to do to comply with the regulations and what is the penalty if they do not. Marina managers and others with a vested interest in the yachting business have got the message loud and clear. If boats do not get this information they will not sail in the Mugla region and may leave Turkish waters altogether.

 

[Dig]

Hello We are coming out to Turkey in 3 weeks time and we are confused about the Blue Card Regs and all the talk about 90 day visa,we are hopping to stay in Turkish waters for 14 to 16 weeks,latest news would be much appreciated .

 

[affinite]

Hello We are coming out to Turkey in 3 weeks time and we are confused about the Blue Card Regs and all the talk about 90 day visa,we are hopping to stay in Turkish waters for 14 to 16 weeks,latest news would be much appreciated .

From what Ive seen on other threads I think there is a meeting of marinas and port officials for Mugla on 2nd April. Suggest you look for an update after that date. (Im watching with keen interest also)

 

[syfuga]

Turkey Visa and Blue Card

Dig,

If you Google the British Embassy in Turkey, you will find that there are new measures afoot to make it easier to apply for temporary residency, enabling you to extend the 90 days for up to 6 months.

I understand you get your 90/180 visa on entry, and then you go to the local police foreigners department, to see about extending it.

While you could leave Turkey for a while for Greece, it will only be effective if you surrender your transit log to the authorities on exit, with all the formalities entailed, and then obtain a new transit log when you re-enter - an expensive process for only a few days. It may be better to restrict yourself to just over 12 weeks, and remain within your 90 days? Whatever you do, don't chance it: there are fines and you can be barred from entry.

As far as the Blue Card is concerned, 45 litres pppd is a bit of a nonsense. Normal careful usage is around 15 litres pppd, plus loo flushing water, unless you insist on daily showers and hair washes, etc.

There are more meetings to discuss the practical implementation of the legislation shortly, and it is likely that grey water collection will not be enforced in the short term. This has been running since August 2009.. don't expect fireworks.