Blue Card

[affinite]

If true, that is a worrying development, but couldnt you just get a blue card even though you dont have a grey tank?
Thats what I plan to do when I get there on Monday.

 

[daleboutm]

Yes, they don't cheque only register. They ask you for the volume of your tank and carry this to your card. So if you don't have a tank it is up to you which volume you, your not existing tank, wish to give. I don't know about control by other entities (port police, coast guard). The risk is yours.

 

[maxy]

We renewed our private transit log yesterday. We do have a holding tank but no deck fitting for removal. We therefore understood we couldn't have a Blue card. Our agent told us they couldnt renew our transit log without a Blue card so we purchased them over the counter in Netsel (as we were there) Marina

 

[Dig]

What is worrying is if your boat is registered on the blue card system and you get boarded by the coast guard, AS WE DID 2 YEARS AGO FOR A SPOT CHECK you will have to show the blue card has been used and how many liters. of gray and black water has been pumped out of your boat and recored on the card.
If i get a blue card i hope i am not falling in to a trap to get a big fine later on.
I only have a small black tank and no deck fitting.
Just dont know whats best to do????????????

 

[Norman_E]

So far it is just hearsay and rumour about the TRL9000 fines (was that each boat, or 15 boats at TRL600 each?). What we need is specifics, boat names and information from the owners.

 

[sailinglegend420]

We got a new transit Log in Marmaris a month ago - no Blue Card asked for, but we got one in Netsel Marina - no information registered about the size of tank or tanks. As far as I know Grey Water tanks are not mentioned in the legislation at the moment - so you don't need them. Netsel manager said the authorities haven't the power to do much checking in your boat, but you do need the card. The "brochure" they issue talks about "stagnant waters" - I suppose they mean bays - so it seems everyone is just emptying out at sea.

Yacht charters we met put 20-30 litres of seawater in at the end of the week just to have something to pump out - but nothing seems to be measured!!!!

 

[affinite]

We got a new transit Log in Marmaris a month ago - no Blue Card asked for, but we got one in Netsel Marina - no information registered about the size of tank or tanks. As far as I know Grey Water tanks are not mentioned in the legislation at the moment - so you don't need them. Netsel manager said the authorities haven't the power to do much checking in your boat, but you do need the card. The "brochure" they issue talks about "stagnant waters" - I suppose they mean bays - so it seems everyone is just emptying out at sea.

Yacht charters we met put 20-30 litres of seawater in at the end of the week just to have something to pump out - but nothing seems to be measured!!!!

But did they put water into their black tanks or did they have Grey water tanks ?

 

[sailinglegend420]

Nobody has grey water tanks as far as I know?

 

[Appleyard]

What is worrying is if your boat is registered on the blue card system and you get boarded by the coast guard, AS WE DID 2 YEARS AGO FOR A SPOT CHECK you will have to show the blue card has been used and how many liters. of gray and black water has been pumped out of your boat and recored on the card.
If i get a blue card i hope i am not falling in to a trap to get a big fine later on.
I only have a small black tank and no deck fitting.
Just dont know whats best to do????????????[/QUOTE

Obviously the best thing to do is fit a deck fitting..they are not expensive and not difficult to do.

Interestingly enough,when we finished our spring cruise and lifted out,the guy s from the yard came round with a portable pumper-outer and emptied the tank via the skin fitting ,thus able to completely empty the tank and hose ,also flushed through with fresh water.

 

[kaptainkrunchie]

We got a new transit Log in Marmaris a month ago - no Blue Card asked for, but we got one in Netsel Marina - no information registered about the size of tank or tanks. As far as I know Grey Water tanks are not mentioned in the legislation at the moment - so you don't need them. Netsel manager said the authorities haven't the power to do much checking in your boat, but you do need the card. The "brochure" they issue talks about "stagnant waters" - I suppose they mean bays - so it seems everyone is just emptying out at sea.

Yacht charters we met put 20-30 litres of seawater in at the end of the week just to have something to pump out - but nothing seems to be measured!!!!

Some pump-out places seem able to measure, some don't. Pumped out in Ege Seray in Fethiye a few weeks ago and the attendant showed me on the computer the dates the boat had pumped out. Some dates had quantities shown, some didn't.

 

[Marsupial]

The situation in Kas is that the blue card is "optional" and it costs 20TL when your boat is registered on "the system" they ask for black and grey tank volume, waste bin volume and number of berths, our gray tank volume is registered as ZERO.

BUT the coast guard is now issuing fines of 8000TL to boats that DON'T HAVE A CARD, so forget actually transgressing the complex rules, NOT having a card is enough.

So far the boats fined are all Turkish registered and in the Gocek/Marmaris area NO I don't know the MMSI, HIN or the DNA of the skippers involved. The advice is to buy a card and join the scheme, process a few pump-outs to show that your are participating and don't pollute in bays.

AS USUAL I WONT REVEAL MY SOURCES - but they are legit, and so far EVERYTHING I have written about this scheme over the past 4 or 5 years has come to pass. Yes I know its Turkey and they make unworkable rules but they are still making this one. As a good friend, who is actively trying to undo parts of this legislation, said to me "Its hard to argue against an environmental law at government level, because they think all you want to do is pollute the sea".

I leave you with that thought.

 

[Squeaky]

Good afternoon:

I don't believe that any yachts or even gulets have actually been fined - or at least the source I quoted yesterday was not told anything about these fines when he spoke to the local coast guard - see my post at http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324810 for my latest information on this subject.

To recap - it seems that someone was told by someone that many boats had been fined 9,000 TL and then, without confirming the information, created a thread reporting the reported fines as factual which created a real storm on different forums.

As near as I can deternube the coast guard only gave out notices indicating that a fine of up to 9,000 TL was possible if the appropriate government department decided to proceed.

Cheers

Squeaky

For the information of Be Be - much of my information above is hearsay as I imagine is much of the information from others.

 

[Norman_E]

Reading "between the lines" particularly of the last two posts I wonder if the authorities are issuing threats of fines to the trip boat owners, who have actually been the worst offenders as regards dumping waste. I was on one visiting the sinken city of Kekova some years back, when the boat in front dumped waste right over it.

 

[Dig]

Truble at Yat marina

I am hearing some Yachts have been fined at Yat marine Marmaris, dose any one know why? some posts are saying one thing and some another,just had a look at the posts on Yat Marina,its not clear whats going on.

 

[Carmel2]

If you take the time to look under your nose you will find all you need to know.

 

[Marsupial]

Good afternoon:

I don't believe that any yachts or even gulets have actually been fined - or at least the source I quoted yesterday was not told anything about these fines when he spoke to the local coast guard - see my post at http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324810 for my latest information on this subject.

To recap - it seems that someone was told by someone that many boats had been fined 9,000 TL and then, without confirming the information, created a thread reporting the reported fines as factual which created a real storm on different forums.

As near as I can deternube the coast guard only gave out notices indicating that a fine of up to 9,000 TL was possible if the appropriate government department decided to proceed.

Cheers

Squeaky

For the information of Be Be - much of my information above is hearsay as I imagine is much of the information from others.

Squeaky,

I DON'T DO HEARSAY, carry on in denial if you like, but the Blue card scheme is far from dead and buried, that's not to say it wont end up dead and buried. - we live in hope.

I wont compromise my sources.

Have a nice day.

 

[akyaka]

As a good friend, who is actively trying to undo parts of this legislation, said to me "Its hard to argue against an environmental law at government level, because they think all you want to do is pollute the sea".

And from the state that some bays in the Gocek area got into hard to argue against practically either.

 

[maxy]

Blue card update

As you may realise we run a charter company in the Marmaris/Orhaniye area. We were told yesterday that when we apply for a new transit log for our charter boats (commercial) which is basically every week. We now have to also send the Blue Card with the old transit log for the harbour master to check clients are in fact pumping out at the prescribed sites.

The system for us as commercial (as opposed to private) is identical except the transit log is a different colour. This new system may not be practical for private boats as the log is only surrendered when leaving or renewing, but the writing is on the wall. Apply for a Blue Card without delay and take every opportunity to get some litres logged when you e.g. fill up with fuel, even if the system is not working. Litres on the card is the important thing, not how effective the pump out station is or isn't.

Kevin

 

[Carmel2]

Is there an official list of pump out sites?

 

[maxy]

Is there an official list of pump out sites?

Yes there is. It is shown on the inside of the card cover which the Blue Card comes in. It is also on the leaflet about the Mavi Carte (Blue Card) scheme, available at various marinas etc.

The list extends to about 30 stations. The list is 'optimistic' as early in the season a number of those listed did not exist. In particular Bozburun came under from the local chamber of shipping members as having no facilities as listed, especially as they are a municipal harbour and you would expect these to have been implemented early on.

Kevin