Blue Card

[Squeaky]

Squeaky,
Instead of talking about it, if you were to investigate this as I did, you would discover that zero boats were fined at Yacht Marine. It is a myth! So rather than dismiss a lowly Texan as someone who does not know what he is talking about, get off your perch and check it out...you will find out exactly the same thing as I did.

If however, you simply ask people in this forum, I am sure you can find an "expert answer" that either/both confirms or denies what I am telling you.

The choice is yours.
Bill

We are eternally grateful that you investigated this matter and determined that it was a myth however you would be doing us all a favor if you let someone else in on the secret facts which leads you to believe it is a myth. What is the big secret that you suggest you have? Or are we not adult enough to be given these facts so we can determine for ourselves if your belief is valid or not.

If you take the time to read my post you will find that I was attempting to get the facts on which you based your belief. I did not dismiss any lowly Texan nor suggest that you did not know what you were talking about - simply trying to get the facts.

Between you, me and the gate posts, I think your post was entirely pointless and of no use whatsoever in furthering our knowledge concerning the "Blue Card". If you have have discovered something so secret that it can not be shared I suggest you refrain from posting such meaningless posts unless you are simply trying to make the rest of us jealous that you have been clever enough to locate the facts while the rest of us have not.

For those of us who would like to further investigate, can you give us any hints as to where we should start looking?

Cheers

Jack

 

[Dig]

Hi was wondering if the blue card for boats waist water had been scraped,as no one seems to be using it,in fact i read somewhere the pump-outs on some keys were dumping it all in the sea.

 

[Squeaky]

Good morning:

There are at least three thread running on this subject:

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?344051-Blue-Card-Turkey-more-info-have-they-gone-crazy
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthrea...e-Card-Scheme-The-Reality&highlight=Blue+Card
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthrea...-for-black-and-grey-waste&highlight=Blue+Card

If you wade through all the above you might, like me, get the impression that it is best to get the card and put it away until asked for it.

I like to think that this is a hair brained idea that is unworkable and that it will die a natural death if no one kicks it off again by doing something stupid.

I have not read of anyone actually being fined for failure to have the card or for not have any discharge of waste recorded.

I have posted my views of the origin of this regulation earlier and continue to believe that it was a money making project in the first place and later taken up by various marinas who realized that it could also add to their bottom line if they sold the cards once they had convinced everyone that it was required.

Personally I got my card from Netsel Marina at no cost and I certainly don't believe that they provided this out of good will which leads me to believe that other marinas sold the card having acquired them at no cost.

Cheers

Squeaky

 

[MASH]

The other end of your pumpout!

http://www.kippermoose.wix.com/martimarina-orhaniye

 

[Dig]

We have the Blue card and will be checking out of Turkey next month,we have herd that you must have used the card and recored your pump outs on in before they will stamp the papers,the problem is we haven't used the card and they say the fine is a lot of money,what should we do, our boat hasn't got a gray water tank or a deck pump out fitting.

 

[BeBe]

The very best answer I can give you is that it depends. Requiring at least one pump out depends on which port, which agent, which officer and what day of the week it is. The only thing that I have heard is that supposedly on one occasion an official refused to check out a vessel because there was no evidence of a pump-out. The owner had to buy one pump out before the official would check the vessel out...this was hearsay, and probably all that you are going to get here is hearsay and/or cruiser myths. An agent and good friend told me that some days they ask, most days they do not and that they are all frustrated by a system with good intentions, but does not work.

Regardless of what anyone else tells you, I would attempt to check-out. If you are asked about a pump-out, apologize that you do not have a receipt with you. If you do not get your check-out with the apology, go acquire a receipt and return later for your check-out. I am sure that you can find a receipt even if you have to pay for one.

Hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, Amel 53
Currently Fethiye, Turkey

 

[affinite]

We have the Blue card and will be checking out of Turkey next month,we have herd that you must have used the card and recored your pump outs on in before they will stamp the papers,the problem is we haven't used the card and they say the fine is a lot of money,what should we do, our boat hasn't got a gray water tank or a deck pump out fitting.

We checked out of Turgutreis last September with no problems re Blue card.
Like you I do have a Blue card but no deck pump out fitting so the card has never been used.
I hope your source was wrong as we are going back in May (Having fitted a deck pump out fitting)
Regards
Steve

 

[akyaka]

Good advice from BeBe. You could have a quiet word with your marina staff and/or liveaboards around you and see how it has been operated in your area.I think you will find that the fine you have heard about is an unsubstantiated rumour .

 

[Dig]

We have the Blue card and will be checking out of Turkey next month,we have herd that you must have used the card and recored your pump outs on in before they will stamp the papers,the problem is we haven't used the card and they say the fine is a lot of money,what should we do, our boat hasn't got a gray water tank or a deck pump out fitting.

Heres what happened at the office at Yacht Marina Marmaris, My new transit log cost 120 euros but i had to pay 50 euros extra to have a pump out registered on my blue card so 170 euros this time,
But the most alarming thing was the warnings ,he told me that there are 2 policing departments cruising the bays this year ,the coast guard and environment agencies both have the power to check you are using the blue card on a regular basis,the stand-ed charge he told me for this year at all pump out stations will be 50 euros at a time and the fine for not using the blue card will be 3000 euros if you can not pay on the spot your boat will be seized,I found all this very intimidating and threatening,i think it will be my last transit log in Turkey ,I wont to be relaxed in the bays and enjoy,not constantly on the look out for enforcement officers.

 

[sailaboutvic]

This is a question for people who are been sailing in Turkey water ,
Is the blue card enforce everywhere in Turkey or just in the Marmaris and Goeck bays area or all over Turkey .
www.bluewatersailor4.webs.com

 

[BeBe]

Heres what happened at the office at Yacht Marina Marmaris, My new transit log cost 120 euros but i had to pay 50 euros extra to have a pump out registered on my blue card so 170 euros this time,
But the most alarming thing was the warnings ,he told me that there are 2 policing departments cruising the bays this year ,the coast guard and environment agencies both have the power to check you are using the blue card on a regular basis,the stand-ed charge he told me for this year at all pump out stations will be 50 euros at a time and the fine for not using the blue card will be 3000 euros if you can not pay on the spot your boat will be seized,I found all this very intimidating and threatening,i think it will be my last transit log in Turkey ,I wont to be relaxed in the bays and enjoy,not constantly on the look out for enforcement officers.

Could you be more specific:
Did the above happen to you personally at the Yacht Marina office?
Did the 50 euro include the card and pump out(s)?
Who is the "he" that told you?

Bill

 

[Dig]

This is a question for people who are been sailing in Turkey water ,
Is the blue card enforce everywhere in Turkey or just in the Marmaris and Goeck bays area or all over Turkey .
www.bluewatersailor4.webs.com

No its only between Bodrum and Antalya for now, i don't know the guys name in the office but he seems to do all the legal stuff there.

 

[sailaboutvic]

No its only between Bodrum and Antalya for now, i don't know the guys name in the office but he seems to do all the legal stuff there.

so we ok every where else? .

where would be the best to check in ? and for a 12 mts yacht would do you think the cost would be ?

thanks for the info

www.bluewatersailor4.webs.com

 

[akyaka]

No its only between Bodrum and Antalya for now

Its restricted to the coastline of the provinces of Muğla and Antalya so stretches further west than Bodrum

 

[Marsupial]

and since Ankara have been administering it territory now includes stretches of the Black Sea coast and many inland lakes and waterways - but that's a secret that only those who read the regs would know,and an obvious lie so please ignore me.

certainly NOW HERE (Fethiye) they have about 6 full time "sea pollution police" milling around the harbour, had lunch with them Thursday, but I don't think they would be the people to ask about what was going on with the Blue Card lets face it who on this forum would believe them? so I did n't.

 

[jimbaerselman]

where would be the best to check in ? and for a 12 mts yacht would do you think the cost would be ?

See http://jimbsail.info/turkey for entry regulations and costs.
See http://jimbsail.info/mediterranean/turkey/carian for ports of entry. Bozburun and Turgutries are often praised for their convenience.

 

[akyaka]

Bozburun and Turgutries are often praised for their convenience.

Both are in Muğla Province

 

[Carmel2]

So has bugger all changed in the last year?

 

[Squeaky]

Good evening:

Yes, there have been a few more changes - see this link: http://cruisingtips.net/mbc/?p=2294
This paragraph is a little confusing because I am not sure if it refers to only check outs after extensive periods in the country or if it applies to all check outs and check ins. If it refers to checking in it appears that you will have to head for your chosen marina, arrange for an agent and then arrange to meet that agent at the ferry terminal. Hopefully there will be further reports to clarify these questions soon.

In addition it appears that it is becoming even more difficult that usual in Marmaris as it is reported that the Harbour Master insists on checking the Blue Cards and will not accept them unless there have been at least one pump out registered on it. I would suggest you check with your chosen agent to confirm this as it is only a report as I have not personally checked out yet this season. Think I will be heading for Bozburun when the time comes if after 1 May when I understand they open for the new season.

Cheers

Squeaky

 

[maxy]

Squeaky's information is correct.

Because of the current tensions with Syria, the authorities have decide that yachtsmen need to check in/out as per normal tourists. We recently brought a new yacht in via Datca at Knidos Yachting, and he required all the crew to be in his office when the Port Polis came to check passports. This is an immigration not customs issue. They simply now want to see that those passports checking in/out are actually the people on board. Perhaps not unreasonable, but more complicated than we have enjoyed in the past.

In Marmaris at least it also true that you cannot check in and obtain a transit log without first having (or buying) a mavi Carte (Blue Card) which are available from Netsel Marina office for 20YTL. You will also need your passport. The stupid part is the card has to have some effluent lodged on it (not literally!) before the harbourmaster's office will accept it. I would suggest when checking in choose your marina in Marmaris first, organise the Blue Card and then check in.