Blue Card

[Capt-jacko]

Could someone tell use what is going on with this Blue Card system in Marmaris please.we are getting VHF broadcasts from Yacht Marina and emails saying a new law is enforce and that all boats must have the Blue Card ,its free now but we will have to pay for it soon .

I only have a small black water tank if i put all the water in to this tank i will need to pump out every day,they say all waist must go from sinks,showers,toilets and bilge,my wife is very nerve's and upset over this and we do not wont to have our boat taken in loo of a big fine.

Cheers

 

[Carmel2]

I take it that means you can't wash your boat.........I foresee a lot of empty berths.

 

[i_sail]

I found this on noonsite:

http://www.noonsite.com/Members/sue/R2009-11-11-4

It is a bit old now, but at least may give you a lead to start getting some more information. I myself am in Marmaris and have not heard anything recently about the scheme.

 

[Capt-jacko]

Yacht Marina are broadcast at 9 am on Chanel 69 VHF most mornings, warning of fine if you don't have blue card and dispose of waist at disposal sites,also if you email the main office they will send you details of the new law.

 

[Capt-jacko]

Transit Log

I have been trying to get a new Transit Log here in Marmaris this week and its proven not to be possible to get one with out a Blue Card,so looks like its now law.
I will have to fit larger tanks to hold all the waist, the rule say 50 lit per person per day is what they think we use that means for 2 people for a week is 700 lit.

Thats a big tank but they will need you to prove that you are pumping that amount each week and it will be recorded on the Blue Card,God knows how much they are going to charge for the pumping out,

Well we do not have the funds to change the boat to comply with these new Regs and it all looks a bit of a rip off because when you got the card they can charge what they like for the pump-out .

 

[kaptainkrunchie]

Have pumped out several times at Marin Turk in Gocek this year.

Started off free, but they are now charging 20TL for pump out. This seems a standard charge no matter how many holding tanks are emptied.

The pump out machine does not appear to have any way of measuring how much waste has actually been discharged.

 

[Ric]

How do the fish go to the loo then?

 

[Carmel2]

Are these pump-outs mobile? or do you have to up sticks each time? We are currently on our way to Netsel for the winter, is there anyone there who can let us know how it's done there?

 

[truscott]

I am led to understand that there are some mobile units, but the one in Netsel wasn't able to fit down the gangways to the pontoons.

As yet, I have had no feedback on whether Netsel is doing the same as the new folk at Yat Marin seem to be doing with the transit log (or indeed the Grey Water issue). Indeed we had no issues with getting a new Transit Log last month and the boat was chartered without problems a week after us (thus needing another TL).

I always thought that this was just for the Gocek area, but am dismayed to see in looking back through Google, that it is to be piloted for the whole of Mugla area ie. Bodrum to Fethiye.

Guess a lot of folk will be looking in to relocating to Finike then.

PT.

 

[Capt-jacko]

Black and Gray Tanks

I found this on the net may be of help.

SUMMARY OF ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS FOR YACHTS


All boats must have black and grey water tanks, both with deck fittings that enable them to be pumped out. There is to be no discharge into Turkish waters.
The blue card is to be issued by Harbour Masters and marinas after they have checked that both black and grey tanks are fitted and that no water from any sink etc runs into the sea. It will contain details of the yacht and crew.
All discharge must be done by pumping out at one of 30 stations sited strategically in marinas and harbours throughout the region.
The blue card will be digitally updated with the pumped out volume of both grey and black water.
The Coastguard and other enforcement agencies can demand the blue card, read it electronically and see when tanks were last pumped out and how many litres were pumped out. This allows then to check that you are not secret dischargers into the sea.
There are special regulations covering the Gocek area bays, prohibiting the use of anchors. Use of fixed mooring buoys will be compulsory, for a maximum of 11 days (outside marinas). The number of vessels in the area may be restricted. Cooking on deck and ashore is prohibited.

 

[truscott]

Hi Capt Jacko,

That bit has been on the net for about 2 years without being enforced. This is why I am a little confused. By the sounds of it, you have been told at Yat Marine that you have to have this, and obviously couldn't get a new Transit Log without it, but this doesn't fit with my experience last month at Netsel, nor does it match the experience that my brother in law had with his boat just a couple of weeks back at Yat Marine (although his boat is now on the hard there, so it may not have been an issue).

It seems VERY confusing to me, as the only implementation I had seen of this was down in Gocek and only for Black Water tanks!

As I say, the regulations you quoted off the web, have been around for ages. Just not enforced.

I'm curious as to what the other folk on here are experiencing, as this will have a major impact on whether I choose to stay in the area next year, or move (I'm not in Turkey anymore, so rely on secondhand info such as this).

PT.

 

[MontyMariner]

I have been trying to get a new Transit Log here in Marmaris this week and its proven not to be possible to get one with out a Blue Card,so looks like its now law.

As I understand it you don't need a Transit Log if under 10 Mtrs.
What happens re Blue Card in that case?

 

[syfuga]

Beware old information

There are postings on this going back to the original publication in autumn 2009.

There is a lot of historical background material still on our web site www.syfuga.co.uk but you'll have to root through places, turkey and go to link at bottom of page.

It seems that they are slowly trying to implement the practice, without the element of compulsion originally envisaged. Blue cards are being issued free.

The main issue is and always was gulets, tourist day boats, and larger vessels who discharged sewage etc.

Two separate issues exist:

The Blue Card is introduced by regulations on a pilot basis throughout Mugla Province, ie north of Bodrum to east of Olu Deniz.

Separate regulations exist regarding Skopea Limani or Gocek bays. This may be found
http://www.marinturk.com.tr/Mevzuatlar.aspx?q=2

 

[Petronella]

Trnsit Log Renewed in Kas

We renewed our Transit Log yesterday in Kas. No Blue Card even mentioned.

 

[xtiffer]

Yat Marin get the Sahil Guvenlik helicopter above them frequently.
Guess they are getting twitchy.
Does not seem to be an isuue ( or even mentioned) in Netsel
Cheers,
Chris

 

[Capt-jacko]

Good news on the log

Well it dose seem one hell of a mess thats for sure, so the good news is we managed to get our new transit log with out the Blue Card but they say the Blue Card may come as standard with the transit log at some point .

The agent who sorted our transit log out told me i must be careful if i go out of the marina with out a Blue Card ,because if the coast guard boards you he will ask for the Blue Card to show how and where you are pumping out your waist ,also he thought the fine could be heavy if you are one of the unlucky ones.

This all makes it a bit of a dilemma i guess, you are damed if you don't and damed if you do, on the one hand if you get registered on the Blue Card system, first you will need to have all the correct piping and tanks plus a deck fitting and most likely will have to pay each time you have the tanks pumped out,we have seen on the net all sorts of prices for this from free to 30 euros a time,

but on the other hand you just risk it and hope for the best.
For me and my wife we both just think its time to move on, the last 2 years have been ok but the constant worry and stress now is taking the enjoyment out of it.

We would like to thank you all for your input much appreciated.
Cheers.

 

[Capt-jacko]

Meeting

At 9 am this morning was a broadcast on VHF ch 69 saying there will be a meeting at Yacht Marina Marmaris in the bar at 12 noon tomorrow Friday the 7th/10/2011 about the Blue Card. to try and find more info about what is involved.

 

[Capt-jacko]

There was a meeting at Yat Marina on Friday,the main points that were mentioned are,

1/ All boats must have on board the Blue Card at all times.

2/ You can get them at Yat Marina office for 20 euros, also other placers too

3/ You will need to show this Blue Card at all pump out sites,

4/ You will need to show the Blue Card to Coast Gard with your transit log so he can check you have been disposing of all your waist at the pump out sites

5/ One last point was if you are cruising the Turkish waters and have your transit log ,You can not dump out at sea,you must use the Blue Card at all times if you don't you will be fine.

6/ It was also mentioned a boat has been fine already and it cost 2600 euros

7/ I think the Blue Card is a bit like a Sim card and records all the data

 

[satsuma]

There was a meeting at Yat Marina on Friday,the main points that were mentioned are,

1/ All boats must have on board the Blue Card at all times.

2/ You can get them at Yat Marina office for 20 euros, also other placers too

3/ You will need to show this Blue Card at all pump out sites,

4/ You will need to show the Blue Card to Coast Gard with your transit log so he can check you have been disposing of all your waist at the pump out sites

5/ One last point was if you are cruising the Turkish waters and have your transit log ,You can not dump out at sea,you must use the Blue Card at all times if you don't you will be fine.

6/ It was also mentioned a boat has been fine already and it cost 2600 euros

7/ I think the Blue Card is a bit like a Sim card and records all the data

Says who? Who are the sources of reference?
And on the basis of this being a Mugla thing only how do they police boats in transit through Mugla!
Is this a yat marine thing?
Or are foreigners demanding rules should be followed!

 

[Capt-jacko]

Yes good point.we were told that Yat Marina had been fine for not making boat owners register there boats on the Blue card.

Netsel Marina are making it part of all new contracts, so you will get one at the point of taking one out.

So it is starting to look like the Marinas are under some sort of control and pressure to force them on to people.