biodiesel

[rubberduck]

On a more serious note than my previous posting,biodiesel would seem to be a good way forward after giving us a reasonable time to adjust,this could be used by all & at lower duty than conventional diesel,if the powers that be can be believed about thier environmental aspirations! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Whitelighter]

yep, Biodiesel duty is 26.7 pence per litre.

 

[BrendanS]

plus VAT?

 

[rubberduck]

Perhaps a special rate for fishermen and stop any foreign fishermen from coming anywhere near the uk unless they use green fuels,and apply some common sense to the silly idea of two different types of diesel at ports & marinas,for the amount of duty it would raise.How could the eu contest such a green policy?
Could we not apply same theory to imports,if the supplier doesn't meet minimum green targets charge a carbon tax!

 

[Whitelighter]

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plus VAT?

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Dunno, good question though and I will look into it.

 

[David2452]

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plus VAT?

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If you sell it and are VAT registered then you would charge VAT on the price (including duty), if just brewing your own or selling it on and you are not VAT registered the no VAT is charged. but whatever happens the duty must be paid "at source"

 

[JamesStairmand]

Hi all,

I am putting this post on behalf of our Biodiesel company. Our biodiesel can be used at a lower rate of duty, rather than conventionial mineral diesel. At the moment duty rate for Mineral diesel is 48.35ppl, and Bio only 28.35ppl, but the extra margin being made up in extra cost of production.

Our company can still provide our Bio at a cheaper price than that of white diesel.

The company has a high output of Biodiesel from a range of feedstocks producing a high quality finished product, and would be looking to deal in high volumes. Any queries please email me at james.stairmand@vfuels.co.uk

James

 

[macnorton]

I looked into biofuel and decided it was a non starter for two reasons.

1 the additives used seperate quickly giving the fuel a very short shelf life.

2 when used it will block the filters eventualy stopping the engine.

This info came from "Cambridge biofuels" who charge 100p per litre and you have to claim your own vat back!

Best to write to your MP's and try to keep the increase lower and staged in.

 

[Andrew_Fanner]

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Hi all,

I am putting this post on behalf of our Biodiesel company. Our biodiesel can be used at a lower rate of duty, rather than conventionial mineral diesel. At the moment duty rate for Mineral diesel is 48.35ppl, and Bio only 28.35ppl, but the extra margin being made up in extra cost of production.

Our company can still provide our Bio at a cheaper price than that of white diesel.

The company has a high output of Biodiesel from a range of feedstocks producing a high quality finished product, and would be looking to deal in high volumes. Any queries please email me at james.stairmand@vfuels.co.uk

James

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Cut through.

How much per litre for, say
100l
250l
500l
750l
1000l
delivered into the boat's tankage?

 

[JamesStairmand]

In answer to your question, we are a large producer looking to sell tanker loads of 30,000 litres, but we will be looking to set up a smaller distribution networks nationwide. Any ideas on this front?

We always aim to keep our prices below that of the mineral diesel, and the difference is usually 1ppl-2ppl. In regards to the previous comment, it should be made aware it is not the biodiesel that clogs up the filters, but the biodiesel strips out any previous rubbish that has been put in. This is easy enough to overcome by changing your filter with no problems at all!

Any questions or queries please email me on james.stairmand@vfuels.co.uk


Regards

James

 

[Andrew_Fanner]

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We always aim to keep our prices below that of the mineral diesel, and the difference is usually 1ppl-2ppl.
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If thats 88p as opposed to 90p and I have to buy 30000l, not too useful for an individual or small syndicate. If thats 48ppl but still 30000l then still syndicate purchase but more worth the palaver of setting one up.

If biodiesel is carbon neutral how is any "green" or "pollution" tax justified as tuppence seems little incentive for the average Joe? Or is it a % of carbon neutral in refined petroleum and thus a % of full tax? I've no idea how the stuff works but it does seem to be the topic of the moment.

 

[JamesStairmand]

The idea is that we would supply a local distributor, to which they could provide you the Bio with a couple pence off per litre. It may or may not be of use to know that if you had a diesel car, you could also run this off the Biodiesel. The taxation is 20pence less than the mineral diesel, but the extra cost of production, means that the prices are literally at the same rate.

Any questions dont hesitate to email me at james.stairmand@vfuels.co.uk

Regards

James

 

[rubberduck]

Cannot see people changing to bio in any number unless it is significantly cheaper than conventional stuff,are the government green or mean?

 

[Whitelighter]

But you are charging for road duty. Non-road duty is currently 3.1p/litre (compared to Road Duty at 27.1p/litre). Why are you not pushing this to the marine industry, as it would come in a significantly less than White diesel. It would mean your bio diesel would be around £0.55/litre - a much better prospect.

Mind you, from the prices you want to charge you are already uncompetitive in a fledgling market. I can get 1000 litres of bio delivered for £0.78/litre Road Duty paid, which is a full £0.10 less than road derv.

For 30,000 litres I would want a serious discount I'm afraid.

 

[JamesStairmand]

The more I keep looking into it, the more I think that the duty of 3.13ppl would be applicable. This does mean we could supply at a price of around 55ppl. The law as i understand, states that Biodiesel used for an end use other than road use is taxable at a rate of 3.13ppl. I am still waiting to hear back from Customs and Excise to confrm this. If this is the case would people be interested at high quantities?

Any questions or queries dont hesitate to contact me at james.stairmand@vfuels.co.uk

Regards

James

 

[Whitelighter]

Yes, but there is no reason to question HMRC about duty. They are very, very clear in their documentation. The duty for NON-Road vehicles and stationary engines is £0.0311/litre.

My boat is NON-Road Vehicle, my Genrator is a stationary engine, my Tractor is a non-road vehicle if I keep it on the farm. The more we ask them to clarify the situation, the more opportunity we give them to think about the legislation and wack some duty on it.

Lets just go with the letter of the law as it stands and keep quiet!

 

[Whitelighter]

As for high quanitites, just see how much you average marina goes through on a Bank holiday weekend? I can think of several boats that take over 2500 litres on one fill up.

Just don't be greedy and support any network that is put in place.

 

[JamesStairmand]

Our issue is that we would ideally be looking to deal with full tanker loads of 30,000 litre lots. Obviously this is much larger than most people can handle. We would like to set up local networks in all areas, but we are not specialists in the marine industry, so would be hapy to listen to those who are!
Anyone looking to get involved can email me easily at james.stairmand@vfuels.co.uk
Look forward to hearing from you all!
Regards

James

 

[Whitelighter]

Ok, accepting that you have a network of marinas who only really service pleasure boats at present (no fishing fleets in 90% on the south coast), they should be happy to swap over to bio. All you need to do is ensure the quality is as good as it can be, and that you have added the stabalisers which are available to prevent water mixing with the fuel.

 

[Andrew_Fanner]

At 55ppl even Mr Poverty here would be quite prepared to use the stuff. Now, how is it with smoke and AD41s?