Best seakeeping boat 40-48feet

[marcochi76]

It's unfortunate that Itama does not offer anything in between the 45 and 62 model.
But it's the same for the other Italian brands
Otam as well, you jump from 45 directly to 58
Baia now they starts from 84 (if you do not want a 20year old boat)

 

[Portofino]

It's unfortunate that Itama does not offer anything in between the 45 and 62 model.
But it's the same for the other Italian brands
Otam as well, you jump from 45 directly to 58
Baia now they starts from 84 (if you do not want a 20year old boat)

Agreed .
It’s not like the mighty FG don’t know anything about there potential market / punters .
Perhaps the size thingy trending upwards is driven by the customers? You know gen wealth increase in the western world
As far as “ 20 yr old “ there is a huge refit industry bringing older smaller boats of those brands up to date .
Obviously the example in this case is Itama but here’s a tired old 38 having the treatment .

A guy on here ( doesn’t post much ) a neighbour of mine here in CH has a chalet very near .

I know you your mindset is new , or nearly new latest modal ( why not ? ) …….but this is refit malarkey a well trodden path .

Enjoy folks .


@ MapishM…..notice to storm shutters on the port holes ….retained them they are original. What was Amarti thinking?
Nice reassuring touch every boat should have then imho .

 

[marcochi76]

Today it was the best day to try an Itama out of Monaco. @Portofino where are you?
The yachts out there are having fun!

 

[Portofino]

Only took 2 1/2 days to get to Palmero …..To quote Mapish “ just kept going “ .Until we bumped into a large island . There was only so much “ pasta and tea “ we could stand

Boats in Sicily now . We are looking for bigger seas you see

 

[MapisM]

my point still stands

Yeah, right. That's as unbiased as your opinion on Itamas.
You said "Your coast guard has been buying a revised 50 hull …FG done a lot of work winning that", which is quite simply not true.

See, I don't mind you saying that your boat is the best on the planet, that's your opinion and everyone has one, like something else that people usually think everyone else's stink.
But when you try to substantiate your opinions with facts, you'd better be informed about them.
I mean, be REALLY informed about them, not just by googling around.

What you are reporting is very old news, i.e. the notorious Carabinieri patrol boat N800 class, for which FSD got an order of 16 units back in 2019.
Now, fast forward to present days, do you know why you couldn't find any references about them, other than some 2020/21 webpages?
And why as of today they didn't yet deliver them all?
Because there are several Prosecutor's offices that are investigating on that contract, for reasons that I'll leave you the pleasure to guess.
That's why.

If you're so interested to find good references for your beloved Itamas, you'd better look elsewhere - mostly in the past.

 

[MapisM]

@ MapishM…..notice to storm shutters on the port holes ….retained them they are original. What was Amarti thinking?

Just a wild guess, maybe that his clients were actually much more interested in pose value than you like to think?
Pretty sure, being a clever man, Mario Amati (RIP) would have never thought they really made any practical sense in boats like the ones he built.

Apropos, I think I'll start to call your boat an ITRAMA, just as a reminder for spelling at least the founder name correctly (I gave up long ago on mapisHm).
In fact, as much as his boats never intrigued me - in spite of my soft spot for fast boats, which in fact they are not - I think the man definitely deserved that.

 

[Bajansailor]

Here is a link to a thread on the Boat Design Forum in the USA, where the OP is asking for help in evaluating the performance and safety of the (his) Riva Superamerica 48 in 'heavy seas, say typical east Mediterranean short waves'.
Riva Superamerica 48

@Portofino maybe he needs to be persuaded to join the Itama ranks?

 

[marcochi76]

Urgh, that's puzzling. I mean, these guys, many years earlier, produced the Squadron 58.
A flybridge with no sporty ambitions whatsoever, but with a 18° deadrise and capable of 28kts cruise/33+ WOT (as tested by MBY back in 2001).
Much heavier and larger, and with just marginally higher power engines.
Makes one wonder what's wrong with that T53...

I have found the specs of the Squadron 53. Very similar to the T53 but heavier.
Same engines.
They mention the same deadrise of 12.5° and max speed of 30 knots.

http://fairline.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Squadron-53-2019MY-Standard-Specification.pdf

 

[Chris H]

I have found the specs of the Squadron 53. Very similar to the T53 but heavier.
Same engines.
They mention the same deadrise of 12.5° and max speed of 30 knots.

http://fairline.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Squadron-53-2019MY-Standard-Specification.pdf

You are welcome to try my Pershing 52, only boat I’ve owned, so no first hand experience of anything else but it seems to be ok in rough seas.

 

[marcochi76]

Thanks @Chris H
That would be wonderful !!!
I am already convinced yours is a super capable boat.
Actually, after all these discussions, this is my conviction:

Top of the list:
Pershings (52 and 50),
Rizzardis (Incredibles, 48in, Infive, ...)

Compromise:
Princess V53/V56 (but also too big)

 

[vas]

Agreed .
It’s not like the mighty FG don’t know anything about there potential market / punters .
Perhaps the size thingy trending upwards is driven by the customers? You know gen wealth increase in the western world
As far as “ 20 yr old “ there is a huge refit industry bringing older smaller boats of those brands up to date .
Obviously the example in this case is Itama but here’s a tired old 38 having the treatment .

A guy on here ( doesn’t post much ) a neighbour of mine here in CH has a chalet very near .

I know you your mindset is new , or nearly new latest modal ( why not ? ) …….but this is refit malarkey a well trodden path .

Enjoy folks .

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@ MapishM…..notice to storm shutters on the port holes ….retained them they are original. What was Amarti thinking?
Nice reassuring touch every boat should have then imho .

Porto,

intrigued by the name, Greek links by any chance? wife/gf/daughter called Elina? typical diminutive of this name in greek...

 

[Chris H]

Thanks @Chris H
That would be wonderful !!!
I am already convinced yours is a super capable boat.
Actually, after all these discussions, this is my conviction:

Top of the list:
Pershings (52 and 50),
Rizzardis (Incredibles, 48in, Infive, ...)

Compromise:
Princess V53/V56 (but also too big)

Mine is for sale on V marine web site.

 

[Chris H]

Mine is for sale on V marine web site.

Or speak to Didier Lacoche, he’s known the boat for over 10 years.

 

[marcochi76]

Excellent
I know Didier well
Do you know what you are buying next?

 

[MapisM]

Here is a link to a thread on the Boat Design Forum in the USA, where the OP is asking for help in evaluating the performance and safety of the (his) Riva Superamerica 48 in 'heavy seas, say typical east Mediterranean short waves'.

The full sentence of the OP in that thread is actually...
"heavy seas, say typical east Mediterranean short waves, strong winds... say gale force winds"

I'm mentioning it because it's refreshing to see that occasionally there are forum posters talking sense, as in the following reply:
"A vessel of this size should not be out in gale force winds", period.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

I have found the specs of the Squadron 53. Very similar to the T53 but heavier.
Same engines.
They mention the same deadrise of 12.5° and max speed of 30 knots.

http://fairline.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Squadron-53-2019MY-Standard-Specification.pdf

Squadron 53 and Targa 53 are the same boats, an evolution of the 2012-14 S50 and T50, but a lower hull free-board, and an up-down bathing platform added aft, the model become the 53 and re-design of the lower deck layout, now owners room at midships.

It is the last of the Olesinski hulls for Fairline, when he started to re-embrace a flatter Vee section. I still think his best hulls are a bit flatter aft, old Fairline 50 was one of the best for example as was the old Princess 55 both of which close at 15. His deeper hulls then to chine ride a bit.

I see the T50s running and I see them pulling a bit of water forward, which is a bit of the same problem on the first generation Squadron 58 up till about 22/23 knots.
The T50 does it on all speeds to be fair. This is an unlikely feature for an Olesinki hull, apart those in bigger sizes.

 

[marcochi76]

@Portofino
I was at Cannes Yacht Show today and spoke with Ferretti guys while visiting the 62RS.
They are finalizing the project of a new 52
It will be commercialized in at least 2 years
I saw the drawings
Some interesting ideas
The pilot station is in the middle, like the 75
The wind screens havr sharp angles like old itamas
The lines of the hull are sharper as well
A direct access to the bow area through the wind screen, but on a side

 

[Portofino]

Porto,

intrigued by the name, Greek links by any chance? wife/gf/daughter called Elina? typical diminutive of this name in greek...

Yes . To all

 

[Portofino]

@Portofino
I was at Cannes Yacht Show today and spoke with Ferretti guys while visiting the 62RS.
They are finalizing the project of a new 52
It will be commercialized in at least 2 years
I saw the drawings
Some interesting ideas
The pilot station is in the middle, like the 75
The wind screens havr sharp angles like old itamas
The lines of the hull are sharper as well
A direct access to the bow area through the wind screen, but on a side

Good to know will grill them & Genoa - thx - kinda contradictory to Mapish M “ no investment “ line of thinking doesn’t it ? As I said the mighty FG aren’t stupid . In fact arguably brand manipulating experts .

 

[Chris H]

Good to know will grill them & Genoa - thx - kinda contradictory to Mapish M “ no investment “ line of thinking doesn’t it ? As I said the mighty FG aren’t stupid . In fact arguably brand manipulating experts .

They still all look like an upscale version of this