Best seakeeping boat 40-48feet

[marcochi76]

This boat has appeared close to my boat in Beaulieu.
It is a new french company.
They have opted for cummins shaft drive instead of IPS. Allelujah !!!

It is by the way too much of a day boat, rather than a sport cruiser.

BB YACHTS - Feel the Mediterranean

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

I went aboard the BB Yacht in Genova. Have a walk through video of the boat upcoming.

Will share it here. Its not bad as day boats here, It offers spaces even larger to a WA of similar size outside, thanks to the use of a widebody for the cockpit.
In both versions the spaces are identical minus the headroom.
New Model: BB Yachts Ischia 44

 

[marcochi76]

ah, @PowerYachtBlog maybe one day I will find a boat that you do not already know

 

[Portofino]

ah, @PowerYachtBlog maybe one day I will find a boat that you do not already know

We did invite you to Genova .
I had the pleasure of his company ( and vast knowledge) for a great day @ Genova recently.
It’s not just the boats , importantly it’s the people behind them and the introductions .

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Walk through of the new BB Yachts 44s

 

[marcochi76]

New Itama coming ...

 

[Bouba]

What’s ‘new’ about it

 

[marcochi76]

it's curious that XL Marine is also launching a new 55 this year.
Do you think the two project share some development? maybe same hull?

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[PowerYachtBlog]

No Mapis XL Marine and Itama share nothing. The XL Marine 55 (and all XL) is a project of Antonio di Mennato from naval architecture to design and interiors.
Antonio revised and did the 55 in the Bulgari era.

Itama new 54 is totally brand new. They have a new designer coming in which I cant remember the name right now.
Ferretti Group Itama hull's are are derived from the old Itamas, and then modified by the Ferretti Engineering department to suit the model.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

What’s ‘new’ about it

It is an Itama, which is kinda a bit like a Porsche 911, rehashed and repacked for the new generation, which if you do not understand the name will not understand it.
So the technology is what comes from the third-parties, engines, gyro, MFD etc etc, which is also true to other yacht builders.

Also considering that Itama is part of the Ferretti Group, and clashes with Pershing and Riva for a similar clientele, it has always to remain with its specific identity, which is a very good thing if you are fan of the brand and its history.

 

[NBs]

This boat has appeared close to my boat in Beaulieu.
It is a new french company.
They have opted for cummins shaft drive instead of IPS. Allelujah !!!

It is by the way too much of a day boat, rather than a sport cruiser.

BB YACHTS - Feel the Mediterranean

Nice choice from them, Cummins + axle vs IPS. I'm not a volvo fan, Cummins is a wise choice in this size class.

 

[MapisM]

It is an Itama, which is kinda a bit like a Porsche 911

Good thing that you specified "kinda a bit", because the latter evolved radically over the years and is still massively popular, while the former is by now is a hard sell brand whose remarkable heritage FG never managed to keep alive (let alone expand!) - to the point that they'd give it away PDQ, if only they could find a buyer!

 

[MapisM]

No Mapis XL Marine and Itama share nothing.

Actually I'm not the one who said they do!

 

[KINGFISHER 9]

Targa 45.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Good thing that you specified "kinda a bit", because the latter evolved radically over the years and is still massively popular, while the former is by now is a hard sell brand whose remarkable heritage FG never managed to keep alive (let alone expand!) - to the point that they'd give it away PDQ, if only they could find a buyer!

Your assuming speculation is way wrong, even in the worst of times in around 2014-16, the time when Ferretti Group kind of put it on a back burner, where not much was happening and being publicized.
Itama has had various interests, with its prime courter being one of its important dealers (but not only). He still is btw!
I know two stories of investors, and the deals did not happen cause FG wanted to sell Mochi with Itama at the agreed price.
This investor which I know gave the full price but wanted to exclude Mochi, and then he changed his mind, FG said no. This was around 2016.

FG position then after 2017 was back quite strong (financially), and even when Solaris went to buy Mochi they did not sell it to him, and then ultimately selling the moulds because Acampora (the designer of the models) and Norberto got involved.

 

[riverliver]

Just came across this thread - A friend bought a new Fjord 41XL last year kept in Majorca but for various reasons I couldn't get out to play last year - maybe this summer. Would be interested in PowerYachtBlog and other experts view on it (if only so I can stroke my chin thoughtfully when I see it and and pretend I know what I am talking about). FWW he is very happy with the purchase so surprised it hasn't appeared here.

 

[MapisM]

Itama has had various interests, with its prime courter being one of its important dealers

Waddumean "one of"? There's only one, in Italy!
And if that's the guy you're referring to, you're having a laugh.
He even parted ways with FG eventually - last year, IIRC?

 

[Portofino]

Good thing that you specified "kinda a bit", because the latter evolved radically over the years and is still massively popular, while the former is by now is a hard sell brand whose remarkable heritage FG never managed to keep alive (let alone expand!) - to the point that they'd give it away PDQ, if only they could find a buyer!

You are wrong on the selling Itama inference.
The 911 was the iconic shape , identically to outsiders not knowing the brand ( Bouba in Itama case on here ) the difference as they evolve modals …..at first pass . 997 to 992 etc etc parked in the car park .” What’s new “

As far as a business modal there’s the brand that’s very strong In Italy like Ferrari , but the manufacturing isn’t stand alone the modals are intergrated into other Ferretti line factory’s .Pershing + Riva eg .

So where ever was the pressure to sell ?

Again back in the 90 s when you ordered a Ferrari F40 it wasn’t built at a separate factory in Moderna it’s was simply slipped into the 348 line . 7500 348 , 1100 348 spiders and 1400 F40 s were built by the same guys on the same line .

To try and pare off the F40 production and sell it along with say ( another brand ) say Lancia would have been lunacy- didn’t happen.
Incidentally there’s cross fertilisation between the boards and share holders of Ferrari + Ferretti .

Hence Itama despite courtiers has remained within the FG portfolio.


The Itama 54 , PYB and myself when shown renderings at Genoa 24 were told prospective buyers were asking for this size . The current 45 S being a evolution of the original 38 mould and the 62 an evolution of the various fifty somethings .
The demographics of todays Itama buyers are effectively day boaters not hotel live aboard boaters .Sure you can spend extended time if you wish . The boat usage it’s value and time being a fraction of boths availability . Majority of Itama are winter hanger store only launched in the summer season .

It’s a true deep V , that’s over 20 to enter this elite club btw - iirc 22 degrees , mid mounted engine, shafts .

They are working on ( notice no top pics ) a semi solid material for the top . not a trad heavy, ugly HT but a new material thin as canvas but solid and permanent on chrome poles to retain the elegance looks .
The forward sunpad is now in a recess ….again acceding to owners wishes to retain the elegance .
The wind , airflow , cool practical nature of a soft top is being retained. The brand about out door living .
For indoor FG have other brands as do FIAT group for cars if fancy something more practical than a Ferrari …no coincidence btw .
Unlike cars with boats the big thing amongst the brands at FG retaining Itama and it hull designs characteristics is the SEA KEEPING …..
Which is what this threads about where we began.

They don’t need to sell many as they take away a Pershing or Riva potential customer.
How ever there’s a niche of wealthy villa owning day boaters who seek out the seakeeping around the Italian boaty hot spots NE Sardinia and Rome .

As to FG importance to the Italian economy……@ Genoa 24 , PYB and myself brushed shoulders while sipping champagne in the FG hospitality lounge with the then Italian finance minister and all the top table of FG .Tells me the FG and it’s brands within are important.

Never seen any French Gov minister @ Cannes or Eng chancellor @ SIBS ……imagine “Rachel from accounts “ rubbing shoulders with Sunny + Priny board members + punters …..that’s something else that ain’t gonna happen .
Unless they plan on giving her or sir Kier free boat .

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Waddumean "one of"? There's only one, in Italy!
And if that's the guy you're referring to, you're having a laugh.
He even parted ways with FG eventually - last year, IIRC?

One of many, I know of at least four interested in buying Itama.

IIRC???? He did not, still visible in the Itama page.

 

[Portofino]

Just came across this thread - A friend bought a new Fjord 41XL last year kept in Majorca but for various reasons I couldn't get out to play last year - maybe this summer. Would be interested in PowerYachtBlog and other experts view on it (if only so I can stroke my chin thoughtfully when I see it and and pretend I know what I am talking about). FWW he is very happy with the purchase so surprised it hasn't appeared here.

Moored next to a brand new one a while back in Cavaliere ( SoF ) on an Italian flag .
Turned out it was a French lady who had a villa nearby and boat came from Genoa area for a few weeks .
Italian husband was away at work , but flew in at W/E s
She told me she hated it and the previous boat was an Itama .
She accompanied the skipper ( they employed a driver of the thing and to look after it in France ) from Genoa to its sumner berth .
She liked our Itama and wanted husband to change back .
I enquired why and was told it was a wet ride , bumpy ride and uncomfortable in a chop and took ages to come across this time .