Are the Tohatsu 3.5 and Merc/Mariner 3.3 the same?

[jfm]

Going nuts of London

Aaarghhhh! Bring back the "shall I take the generator out" thread; all is forgiven.



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[PaulF]

I was wondering, having read much of the above, if anybody at Tohatsu or Mercury ever thought it was possible to generate as much weight in paper discussions as one of their 3hp outboards weighs? Strewth, you can only use a 3hp for making pancake mixture!

But then maybe it should match the kitchen.

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[longjohnsilver]

Come fly with me...........

So rather than wait till next year why not fly out to Tohatsu land and bring one back with you, it'll probably be the 2006 model. That'll keep you well ahead of the pack.

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[ArthurWood]

Jon,
I have a Mariner 3.3 in the garage but I'm too busy to go and see where it was made/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[jon_bailey]

Arthur,

Just goes to prove that you retired people have far less time and much more interesting things to do than us 'Captains of Industry'.

Must get back to work now before ship sinks - must avoid that colregs debate.

Jon

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[Oldhand]

Re: Boy am I confused.....

I think the Merc 3.3 is better for 2 reasons:

1. The Merc tiller arm is more substantial and doesn't have the very floppy rubber mounting of the Tohatsu

2. The Merc has a quickly removable top cover (2 lever clips). The Tohatsu, like the Suzuki DT2, has a vertically split cover which has several screws holding it together. Apart from needing a screw-driver and the possibility of losing the screws, it requires more effort to remove and is not suitable for a quick inspection. If its anything like the Suzuki cover, its a right fiddle to put on again.

I chose the Merc over the Tohatsu for the above 2 reasons. Apart form these, the quoted outputs and paint job I believe them to be identical and Tohatsu sourced. My Merc was assembled in Belgium, I presume mostly from Tohatsu Japanese sourced parts.

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[davey]

Tohatsu vs Mariner

OK lets look at these little beauties in a little detail........

For both -
Weight 29lbs
Fuel Tank - 1.4 litre
Stroke/Bore - 47x43
CC - 74.6
Gear ratio - 2.15:1
Transom Height - 15"
Ignition - CDI
Fuel Induction - Loop Charged
Looks

Differences
Tohatsu quoted WOT range 4200 - 5200 and 3.5HP
Merc/Mariner quoted WOT - 4500 - 5500 and 3.3HP

I say that they are fundamentally the same; not sure who's building, designing or paying whom to do what but my money would be on Tohatsu designing and probably building............

However it's all circumstantial evidence I present; I don't have it from any horses mouths
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A yachtsman that I know has a 3.3HP Mariner on his dinghy. (the motor is a two stroke - no nasty black crankcase oil to spill) He tried a borrowed 3.5HP Tohatsu and the dinghy then went faster than it did with the Mariner! The motors appear to be the same but what is the difference? Could it be the reed stop limiter height? (do these motors even use reed valves?) Any ideas?

 

[Lakesailor]

Do you realise you are in a time warp?

 

[Assassin]

All this contention about where they are made!!! actually it means nothing as the plate identifying where they are made is only where the final assembly takes place.

In simple terms the components can be made anywhere, if they are assembled in Japan they can stamp them made in Japan, likewise if they are assembled in Belguim they can be stamped made in Belgium. Basically it all becomes irrelevant as most of the components and castings for most outboards are made and machined in China and shipped to whichever country for assembly.

Ford exploited this legislation, they made cars in Spain and many other countries, they shipped them to Germany where the final assembly tool place, this was usually something silly such as applying badges, then marked them as made in Germany. You had a car made in Spain, but the final badges, or final assembly stage took place in Germany and was badged as made in Germany, but it was still built in Spain.

In recent years Mercury Marine have bought, and defended several cases over such issues, they criticised other manufacturers for having the engines made in China and India, and did exactly the same themselves. Look up the cases as it makes interesting reading.

Oh what fun.

 

[Assassin]

Forgot to mention, Mercury had fully assembled engined manufactured in these countries and shipped to them complete, all they did was fit the propellor. This was classed as the final assembly and they got away with it, and still do.

 

[AndieMac]

Ford exploited this legislation, they made cars in Spain and many other countries, they shipped them to Germany where the final assembly tool place, this was usually something silly such as applying badges, then marked them as made in Germany. You had a car made in Spain, but the final badges, or final assembly stage took place in Germany and was badged as made in Germany, but it was still built in Spain.

Ford aren't the only ones.

The Porsche Cayenne is built in Slovenia, with the body left separated from the chassis, moved to Germany for the final assembly for the same reasons you state.

 

[Assassin]

Andiemac:

There are thousands of such examples, if only people looked.