Fergus
New member
Just curious really..
Are all Volvos originally Perkins engines?
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PCUK
Well-known member
No, only the good ones!
Robin
Well-known member
The older ones weren't, like the 2000 series or MD1, MD11 etc. One was the same as the OM636 Mercedes. Anyway most originally started as engines for something else, like dumper trucks, cars/vans, generators etc. The MD22L we re-engined our last boat with started life as an Austin Montego diesel, was marinised by Perkins and painted blue (sold by them as a Perkins Prima 50hp) or sold to Volvo who painted it green and fitted it with their gearbox instead of a Hurth.
Bit like it is with outboards too I think.
Bit like it is with outboards too I think.
FlyingDutchman
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Glad i have the MD22 then!
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Ruffles
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To quote some ones quote that was posted on here a while back...
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I got the following concerning the VP 2030 from somewhere on the web in the distant past:-
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Your engine is what Perkins calls a 103-10. Perkins started importing these 100 series engines from a Japanese company called Ishikawajima Shibaura Machinery, Ltd. nearly twenty years ago. ISM is part of Ishikawajima Harima Industries, one of Japan’s largest industrial companies. Perkins marketed this engine in a marinized version as the Perama M30. They sold the engine to Volvo Penta who marketed it as their MD2030. They also sold the engine to Massey Ferguson, McCormick, Terramite, Textron, Jacobsen, Cushman, Vermeer, Leech Lewis, JCB, Kobelco, and Northern Lights to name just a few. In the US, the engine was distributed thru Detroit Diesel – Allison which is closely tied to the MTU conglomerate. By 1996, Perkins had become so successful at marketing these engines to other equipment manufacturers that they formed a joint venture with ISM called Perkins Shibaura Engines, Ltd. and began assembling the engines at the Perkins facility in Peterborough, UK from parts shipped from Japan. In 1997, Perkins was acquired by Caterpillar. With an added boost from Caterpillar, this little engine has become one of the most popular engines in the world. It’s used in turf equipment, tractors, mini-excavators, brush choppers, compressors, welders, pumps, generators, etc. etc. etc. Even Caterpillar uses it in some of their smaller equipment. The “Perkins” name was highlighted on the engine ID plate which is located on a distinctive boss just forward of the injection pump. The 2006 model year’s production of the engine has “Shibaura” highlighted on the ID plate. In 2001, the larger Shibaura 400 series engine was introduced with assembling at Peterborough, UK from parts mostly from Japan, and in June, 2004 assembling of the 400 series engine began at a Caterpillar facility in Griffin, Georgia, USA with production exceeding 100,000 units per year.
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The big question is how much do they cost before they're painted green?
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I got the following concerning the VP 2030 from somewhere on the web in the distant past:-
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Your engine is what Perkins calls a 103-10. Perkins started importing these 100 series engines from a Japanese company called Ishikawajima Shibaura Machinery, Ltd. nearly twenty years ago. ISM is part of Ishikawajima Harima Industries, one of Japan’s largest industrial companies. Perkins marketed this engine in a marinized version as the Perama M30. They sold the engine to Volvo Penta who marketed it as their MD2030. They also sold the engine to Massey Ferguson, McCormick, Terramite, Textron, Jacobsen, Cushman, Vermeer, Leech Lewis, JCB, Kobelco, and Northern Lights to name just a few. In the US, the engine was distributed thru Detroit Diesel – Allison which is closely tied to the MTU conglomerate. By 1996, Perkins had become so successful at marketing these engines to other equipment manufacturers that they formed a joint venture with ISM called Perkins Shibaura Engines, Ltd. and began assembling the engines at the Perkins facility in Peterborough, UK from parts shipped from Japan. In 1997, Perkins was acquired by Caterpillar. With an added boost from Caterpillar, this little engine has become one of the most popular engines in the world. It’s used in turf equipment, tractors, mini-excavators, brush choppers, compressors, welders, pumps, generators, etc. etc. etc. Even Caterpillar uses it in some of their smaller equipment. The “Perkins” name was highlighted on the engine ID plate which is located on a distinctive boss just forward of the injection pump. The 2006 model year’s production of the engine has “Shibaura” highlighted on the ID plate. In 2001, the larger Shibaura 400 series engine was introduced with assembling at Peterborough, UK from parts mostly from Japan, and in June, 2004 assembling of the 400 series engine began at a Caterpillar facility in Griffin, Georgia, USA with production exceeding 100,000 units per year.
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The big question is how much do they cost before they're painted green?
brianrunyard
New member
No, some are Ford, GM etc. Volvo paint them green and double the price.
The Perkins Prima, produced by Perkins, when marinised by Volvo was sold as the MD22, Perkins supplied the same engine unmarinised to Austin for use in the Sherpa van and Montego car.
The Perkins Prima, produced by Perkins, when marinised by Volvo was sold as the MD22, Perkins supplied the same engine unmarinised to Austin for use in the Sherpa van and Montego car.
jonayuen
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The ancient 1 and 2 cylinder diesels (MD5,MD6,MD7) were sort of made by Volvo. A company called Albin made the first ones for a while and Volvo painted them green etc., but then they decided to eliminate the middle man and bought out the engine production part of Albin.
quaelgeist2
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The MD2020 is presumably a Perkins Perama alias Kubota.
Designed to power small forklifts in Japan...
Not sure that is true, but a result of a similar discussion 2yrs ago.
Designed to power small forklifts in Japan...
Not sure that is true, but a result of a similar discussion 2yrs ago.
double_ender
Member
I heard that the latest D series, certainly at the low end of the range are again an Albin, A marinised industrial version.
mikehibb
Active member
If I recall correctly CAT bought FG Wilson, who at that time owned Perkins. ( I might be wrong though) What I was told was that CAT were desperate to obtain Perkins as it was the missing link in their range. Perkins derivatives are world wide famouse so getting hold of Perkins was a prime objective.
jonayuen
New member
I don't think anything in the D series are Albin, since they don't make engines anymore. I found my little '100th Anniversary' book that Albin produced and it had a little of the history of the connection of Penta and Albin. The MD6A, for example, was Albin's X2 motor. Penta bought the entire motorprogram in 1970 but discussions had started in the 1940's. The C5 and C10 Penta's were Albin's O-11 and O-21.
Penta had also borrowed things from the Volvo cars, and a lot of older motor boats here have 'Penta' units with B-16 or B-18 engines in them.
Albin went on to become a boat manufacturer (Vega, for example, was made by them and some even had Albin engines) but in 2000 they were just a supplier of components for other industries.
Penta had also borrowed things from the Volvo cars, and a lot of older motor boats here have 'Penta' units with B-16 or B-18 engines in them.
Albin went on to become a boat manufacturer (Vega, for example, was made by them and some even had Albin engines) but in 2000 they were just a supplier of components for other industries.
Steve_N
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The '21's (MD21A,MD21B,AQD21.. etc. are all based on the Indenor (Industrie du Nord Est) AKA Peugeot XDP4/90. Same engine as used by Vetus in their P4.
babelek
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Perama M30
You know a lot about these engines Ruffles. Where can I get the basic industrial version of M30 and then marinize it myself? I have two M30 on my boat and need new engines, but I can switch the marine parts. I've done it before on Universal that was a Kubota and you could buy the tractor engine for about 1/2 price. Thanks for the advice, Kris
You know a lot about these engines Ruffles. Where can I get the basic industrial version of M30 and then marinize it myself? I have two M30 on my boat and need new engines, but I can switch the marine parts. I've done it before on Universal that was a Kubota and you could buy the tractor engine for about 1/2 price. Thanks for the advice, Kris
