Anti piracy
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Graham_Wright
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Seajet
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I believe it was called a Verey Pistol, and required a firearms licence; if trying to recreate the scenes from various films a marine flare might do the trick, but don't blame me if it just irritates the baddies to step it up a notch and make with their kalashnikovs...
Graham_Wright
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Google seems to think it is Very as well but we all know what we mean.
Hopefully the irritated baddies would be toast!
Seajet
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Graham,
there was a well publicised incident in the 1980's when the Russians fired a grappling snare over an RN sub, so grabbing the towed array sonar in quite a big intelligence coup; I spoke with British submariners just afterwards and they were rather miffed !
No idea if it was cannon fired the story I heard was it was fired from another sub, but the big question was how did they have sensors to track a UK hunter killer sub so accurately...
there was a well publicised incident in the 1980's when the Russians fired a grappling snare over an RN sub, so grabbing the towed array sonar in quite a big intelligence coup; I spoke with British submariners just afterwards and they were rather miffed !
No idea if it was cannon fired the story I heard was it was fired from another sub, but the big question was how did they have sensors to track a UK hunter killer sub so accurately...
geem
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We met an Australian yacht cruising in the Caribbean who had used a cattle fence energiser in New Guinea. They wired it to the guard wires with the neutral dropped into the sea.
One morning they got up to find a machete on deck! They guess the victim placed the machete on deck before reaching up for the guard wires to pull themselves onboard. Must have been quite a shock with his wet body!
They advised that it worked fine but you needed to remember when you had set it as returning to the boat one evening after a few scoops and grabbing the guardwires wasn't pleasant.
We have one that is supposed to be good for up to six miles of fencing! Might be good to take aboard for St Lucia
One morning they got up to find a machete on deck! They guess the victim placed the machete on deck before reaching up for the guard wires to pull themselves onboard. Must have been quite a shock with his wet body!
They advised that it worked fine but you needed to remember when you had set it as returning to the boat one evening after a few scoops and grabbing the guardwires wasn't pleasant.
We have one that is supposed to be good for up to six miles of fencing! Might be good to take aboard for St Lucia
Sandyman
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Seajet;4625771 there was a well publicised incident in the 1980's when the Russians fired a grappling snare over an RN sub said:Cant answer that
The ruskies did a similar thing to an American sub just off Gib in the late 70's.
I was part of the team sent out to recover it. Officially, we were just doing diving trials.
Artic Warrior
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I was looking at an Australian built 45 footer few years back,,,it had isolated guard rails that were electrified by a 240 generator
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BigEmUp
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An electric fence might be a great idea to deter reckless youths looking for a laptop left on deck, but pirates? That would be like scaring off a swarm of angry bees with a rolled up newspaper. For them might is right, so if they board with guns, make sure yours is bigger, fires faster and that you fire first and before they board. If they have an AK47 then have an RPG, if they have an RPG, then you really need a battleship.
Without the ability to fix the lawless countries they come from the true solution for those vermin is to empower the Navy and ship owners to permit unrestrained violence in response and to do it with vigour. We need to reinstate a Piracy Act and send their executed bodies back to the communities that sent them out. Heads on stakes style. Until the wets and liberals step aside that won't happen. A problem way bigger than we can deal with in our little boats.
sparerooms
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What are the regulations on having a shotgun on board and a clay pigeon trap?
When ever you see any dodgy looking boats/jet skis/ribs whilst on passage, just start firing at some clays off the back end.
Maybe that would make them think twice about trying to board you...
When ever you see any dodgy looking boats/jet skis/ribs whilst on passage, just start firing at some clays off the back end.
Maybe that would make them think twice about trying to board you...
ganter
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Frank Mulville described the Verey Pistol as one of the most important pieces of kit onboard;
"Sometimes the Verey Pistol can be shot high into the air to signal to far away vessels that one is in distress. Sometimes it can be levelled and, after a spoken warning swiftly made, shot between the eyes to signal equal distress to an unfortunate boarding party of pirates.
When and how you make the decision to fire it is, in part, about the moment and the experience of whether you think you'll live or die through the experience. Will it be me or him? The choice is a bold one and no single-hander, should he find himself in such circumstances, will be willing to talk about it afterwards. He will be more than happy just to have lived through it."
William_H
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New Guinea rascals as they are known have some non authodox attitudes to burgulary etc. I think the Oz yacht did well to have the energised rails however these folk do have habits or returning to punish people who get in the way of their burgularies. So they would have done well to move on immediately. Essentially these pirates contribute to the destruction of their nation for foreign investment as well as tourism. But then mostly they are not very inteligent/civilised. There are lots of lovely places to sail with no pirate activity. olewill
hartcjhart
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sorry but you are an arse
coopec
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BigEmUp
You are absolutely right - we can't fight them. When I was in Namibia I was told I could buy an AK47 for $50. (Whether that was $US or Namibian dollar I didn't bother to ask.) Sad to say many Africans have to lie, cheat, steal, rob just to survive. Many of them are battle hardened and have little respect for life. I have read the best strategy when they are approaching is to pretend you are radioing for assistance
WARNING THIS IS PRETTY BRUTAL
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You are absolutely right - we can't fight them. When I was in Namibia I was told I could buy an AK47 for $50. (Whether that was $US or Namibian dollar I didn't bother to ask.) Sad to say many Africans have to lie, cheat, steal, rob just to survive. Many of them are battle hardened and have little respect for life. I have read the best strategy when they are approaching is to pretend you are radioing for assistance
WARNING THIS IS PRETTY BRUTAL
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bae_1336819417&comments=1
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Seajet
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The snag would be when they wittily riddle one with big AK47 bullets at much longer range than a shotgun can manage !
It's almost impossible to engage these people, as mentioned they're hardened with little concept of life; try reading the excellent book ( ignore the carp film ) ' Black Hawk Down ' to get an idea of how Somali's operate.
My answer is to stay around here where the worst pirates are those demanding harbour dues !
BigEmUp
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I heard about this incident word of mouth, but never found any evidence of the actual execution. I find it persuasive that there are 25 pirates on film, but only 10 sent back to Russia, who presumably are in Siberia now. Nothing on Google unfortunately. A big pity the Russians didn't have a bit more courage and film the whole process in high resolution detail. I expect their laws will allow it. The people who need to know what happened are the pirate communities in Somalia and around the world and there will only be 12 voices here who will spread the message far too thinly. However - nice one Russia!
KellysEye
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The problem with being armed is that unless you are ex military or a member of a gun club then you will have little experience of firing a weapon and none on a boat that is moving and rolling/pitching. On the other hand the pirates or drug boats off the Venezuelan coast are experienced in that and there are normally three or four of them with AK47's. If you were to open fire assume you would be dead.
There was an American yacht, whose skipper was ex military, off the Venezuelan coast who was approached by a pirogue with armed men on board when they were quite a long way away and he opened fire with an M16 and expended a whole magazine. As he fitted another magazine they turned away. He is the only yachtsman I've heard of who hasn't been killed when outgunned.
There was an American yacht, whose skipper was ex military, off the Venezuelan coast who was approached by a pirogue with armed men on board when they were quite a long way away and he opened fire with an M16 and expended a whole magazine. As he fitted another magazine they turned away. He is the only yachtsman I've heard of who hasn't been killed when outgunned.
coopec
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KelysEye
I'm no expert but I think the M16 has a longer range than an AK47? I found it - 380 yards against M16 - 500 yds
I'm no expert but I think the M16 has a longer range than an AK47? I found it - 380 yards against M16 - 500 yds
Seajet
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Agreed, but one has to be pretty nonchalant to stroll through customs with an M16.
padge
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I was at RAF Lynham getting ready to fly to Saudi Arabia complete with SA80
The RAF Policeman asks me to put the rifle through the 'x ray' machine .
"what are you looking for ?" I asked
With a completely straight face he replied "HIDDEN WEAPONS !!"
The RAF Policeman asks me to put the rifle through the 'x ray' machine .
"what are you looking for ?" I asked
With a completely straight face he replied "HIDDEN WEAPONS !!"
