oldbloke
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Depends on where you are on power v drag. Once you have all the power you can use then you are reducing drag, downhaul/ Cunningham on and open that leach
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Buck Turgidson
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Not a good day for the race committee. Not sure why LRPP didn't use a delay but also not convinced the start in race 2 was judged correctly. Close finish was interesting and I think Ben needs to cool his beens a bit as the boat is faster when sailed well.
Bobc
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Agree. I can't for the life of me see how that gybe by LR at the pre-start was not a penalty.
bedouin
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LRPP seems to have marginally more accurate boat handling in those conditions, a few places where INEOS lost a couple of seconds in slightly sloppy or cautious manoeuvres.
I am not sure of the rules but I think LRPP may have been too late to request a delay
I am not sure of the rules but I think LRPP may have been too late to request a delay
SaltIre
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Duct tape... 
oldbloke
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Yesterday Ineos were keeping their windward foil sl down during the bear away, presumably to avoid nose dives going through the twilight zone. Today we saw why they were concerned although yesterday it cost them at every windward mark.
SaltIre
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Buck Turgidson
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Another unforced error giving away a great opportunity to put some pressure on LRPP. Shocking.
dunedin
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Yes, very close fight in terms of “wins”. But that is twice that INEOS have blown away the advantage gained from walkover wins. They needed to capitalise and go ahead in the second races but both times failed to do so.
let’s hope the toughness of LR fight backs doesn’t let them win out in the end - particularly as no margin for Lady Luck to go the other way and give LR a walkover if Ineos has tech issues,
let’s hope the toughness of LR fight backs doesn’t let them win out in the end - particularly as no margin for Lady Luck to go the other way and give LR a walkover if Ineos has tech issues,
14K478
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LRPP : 4 wins
Rita: 2 wins and 2 byes.
Psychologically I think this favours Italy.
On the other hand the two boats are incredibly close.
Rita: 2 wins and 2 byes.
Psychologically I think this favours Italy.
On the other hand the two boats are incredibly close.
Bobc
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THe LR retitement today was due to a handling error mining the boat.
Also what about the light wind race which was abandoned on the final leg because the breeze swithched off? That was Ineos's race taken away from them.
So I would say that they've both had a gift so far.
Even stevens.
14K478
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You are quite right.
bedouin
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The last few races have all been at the very top of the wind range and in those conditions LRPP seem to have a small advantage in handling, Boat speed then are incredibly close with only a couple of metres in it over an entire leg. INEOS dominated them in the lighter conditions a few days ago but unfortunately ran out of time.
I think what INEOS need is conditions more like those the boats are designed for (say 10kn)
I think what INEOS need is conditions more like those the boats are designed for (say 10kn)
Buck Turgidson
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They need to win the first leg which means don't cross the start early and don't go out of bounds.
14K478
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“Don’t lose situational awareness!”
flaming
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In many ways it's incredible that 2 teams working completely independently have produced two such incredibly evenly match boats.
The way this is playing out at the moment, whichever team wins is going to deserve it, but the other team is going to be going away with a real "what if" feeling. Both have made errors that cost them races.
I didn't think I'd enjoy watching the racing this cup all that much, but I'm completely hooked.
The way this is playing out at the moment, whichever team wins is going to deserve it, but the other team is going to be going away with a real "what if" feeling. Both have made errors that cost them races.
I didn't think I'd enjoy watching the racing this cup all that much, but I'm completely hooked.
Ingwe
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The one problem is the lack of overtaking - they need to make the course at least half a mile wider to allow more speration and allow the boat behind to stand a chance.
Regarding how evenly matched for speed the boats are it would be interesting to find out from the designers afterwards if they think they have hit the limit on performance as to stay in control on the foils you can't exceed somewhere between 52 and 55 knots on the bear aways which is what they are already doing when the wind is up, so they may have hit the performance limit for what is possible if you aren't allowed to change the foils for the conditions.
flaming
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Disagree there. Give a wider course and you'll just get 1 tack beats.
14K478
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In match racing, win the start, get to the windward mark first, and then don’t break anything!
Ingwe
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I am not talking about going that far but on the current width courses when they are doing 40+ knots it's less than 40 seconds of sailing time from when they round the gate to them having to tack / gybe at the boundary.