gandy
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At what point would you feel its time to act. By this time ..
Or by now ....
Or by now ....
Action by the stand-on vessel
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shmoo
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don't keep us in suspense! What happens next.
peterg
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From the 2nd pictures properties of "GandyGoose/YBW/disaster2005-1" I'm guessing it's not good news /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
gandy
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A collision.
I'm waiting to see who recognises the ships. I have a kind of bet with myself that one or more forumite will be able to name both ships, and know of the incident depicted.
I'm waiting to see who recognises the ships. I have a kind of bet with myself that one or more forumite will be able to name both ships, and know of the incident depicted.
Sgeir
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A visit to the toilet might be in order.
Blue hull has turned sharply to port, but is but is the bulk carrier (or whatever - the one with the photographer) actually moving?
Blue hull has turned sharply to port, but is but is the bulk carrier (or whatever - the one with the photographer) actually moving?
Rustyknight
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One's not under the command of TK is it? That turn to port seems familiar! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
nordic_ranger
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A near miss.
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Or by now ....
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I got a feeling that these pictures are a bit misleading ....
The Bulky ... gives me impression he's not moving ... and the Mae** vessel has altered to port ........
IF both vessels are moving / underway - then both are now obligated to minimise collision - based on the rule that gives Stand-On vessel possibility to take action if action of give way vessel alone is deemed insuffiernt to avoid collision.
It is a common misunderstanding that only one vessel is blamed in collisions - normally the blame is apportioned to both in varying degrees dependent on what action each takes.
I could be wrong about the pictures though ....
At what point would you feel its time to act. By this time ..
Or by now ....
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I got a feeling that these pictures are a bit misleading ....
The Bulky ... gives me impression he's not moving ... and the Mae** vessel has altered to port ........
IF both vessels are moving / underway - then both are now obligated to minimise collision - based on the rule that gives Stand-On vessel possibility to take action if action of give way vessel alone is deemed insuffiernt to avoid collision.
It is a common misunderstanding that only one vessel is blamed in collisions - normally the blame is apportioned to both in varying degrees dependent on what action each takes.
I could be wrong about the pictures though ....
Norman_E
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If the bulk carrier has come to a stop there may be nothing he can do now except hope that the other vessel will pass ahead. If he is stopped I doubt he will have moved much by the time the other vessel arrives, even if he goes full astern now.
The other vessel appears to have turned on to a collision course from a course that would have passed fairly close port to port, but the pictures may be deceptive.
The other vessel appears to have turned on to a collision course from a course that would have passed fairly close port to port, but the pictures may be deceptive.
gandy
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The pictures come from this web page. Its not apparent from the pictures, but the article implies that both vessels were making way. The bulk carrier doesn't appear to take any action at all. Could it be that even at the time of the first picture it was too late for her to make any useful response? Or maybe they were too busy taking pictures.
http://www.cargolaw.com/2005nightmare_maracaibo.html
http://www.cargolaw.com/2005nightmare_maracaibo.html
Major Catastrophe
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The impact pictures are quite spectacular!
TJAGAIN
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where are the impact pictures? can't find them
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The pictures come from this web page. Its not apparent from the pictures, but the article implies that both vessels were making way. The bulk carrier doesn't appear to take any action at all. Could it be that even at the time of the first picture it was too late for her to make any useful response? Or maybe they were too busy taking pictures.
http://www.cargolaw.com/2005nightmare_maracaibo.html
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The time for a vessel like that to turn would be too long ... and in fact turning to port to try and prevent collision may in fact make it worse ... turning to stbd ?????
Who knows ... very difficult to say what is best ... stopping engines is nill effect .. vessel will carry way for ages. Engines astern - prop will cavitate ..... so ???? Poor old Bulky is shagged whatever he does ....
The pictures come from this web page. Its not apparent from the pictures, but the article implies that both vessels were making way. The bulk carrier doesn't appear to take any action at all. Could it be that even at the time of the first picture it was too late for her to make any useful response? Or maybe they were too busy taking pictures.
http://www.cargolaw.com/2005nightmare_maracaibo.html
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The time for a vessel like that to turn would be too long ... and in fact turning to port to try and prevent collision may in fact make it worse ... turning to stbd ?????
Who knows ... very difficult to say what is best ... stopping engines is nill effect .. vessel will carry way for ages. Engines astern - prop will cavitate ..... so ???? Poor old Bulky is shagged whatever he does ....
billcowan
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Link is dead "error 404"
So what happened? and why did the blue boat turn to port?
So what happened? and why did the blue boat turn to port?
gandy
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It's a really slow web site, sometimes not available.
The vessels collided, with damage to both but no injuries. It doesn't mention soiled underwear, but I think I'd have crapped myself seeing flames on an LPG tanker. I'll grab the picture while the web site is up ..
According to the info, "the Maersk vessel appeared to have lost direction in a sector of the channel subject to a strong current"
I've been in a similar position in the air. One second everythings fine and you're set to pass well clear of everyone. Next second another glider make an unexpected turn, and you're eyeball to eyeball. At least in the air it's over quickly - on a ship I guess you could be watching for a couple of minutes with nothing you can do to avert the collision.
The vessels collided, with damage to both but no injuries. It doesn't mention soiled underwear, but I think I'd have crapped myself seeing flames on an LPG tanker. I'll grab the picture while the web site is up ..
According to the info, "the Maersk vessel appeared to have lost direction in a sector of the channel subject to a strong current"
I've been in a similar position in the air. One second everythings fine and you're set to pass well clear of everyone. Next second another glider make an unexpected turn, and you're eyeball to eyeball. At least in the air it's over quickly - on a ship I guess you could be watching for a couple of minutes with nothing you can do to avert the collision.
Cruiser2B
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Now look what happens when you program waypoints into your autopilot /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Really, I don't think the Pequot stood much of a chance of avoiding a collision - a crash stop would have still taken the better part of a mile to complete and would have veered her into the Maersk vessel. I would think this is a rare case where 100% of the blame could be assigned to one party of a collision - the Maersk. I know I'll be eviscerated by those on this board who will strongly defend the rights of a smaller vessel to not maintain a lookout while turning into the path of any larger vessel /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Really, I don't think the Pequot stood much of a chance of avoiding a collision - a crash stop would have still taken the better part of a mile to complete and would have veered her into the Maersk vessel. I would think this is a rare case where 100% of the blame could be assigned to one party of a collision - the Maersk. I know I'll be eviscerated by those on this board who will strongly defend the rights of a smaller vessel to not maintain a lookout while turning into the path of any larger vessel /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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