90 in 180 limit from 1st January.

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The CA is asking member to sign this petition asking the government to negocialte 180 in 365 instead of 90 in 180. This would put the EU on reciprocal terms to the UK. They are also asking that everyone write to their MP's as the government has decided not to negociate this issue. The CA feels that the arrangements outr to be reciprocal and we shoudl all pressure our MP's to push for that. The Schengen restrictions are bad for people with boats and for those with second homes.


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At the RYA cruising conference they stated the the EU had already offered a longer tourist access, visa free, with the proviso that the UK reciprocate. The UK turned it down as they didn't want to reciprocate for all member states.

Far worse is the ports of entry requirement.
 

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It's not 'advice', merely my general attitude to life :)

It's not advice? ? .... You tell us an anecdote of you fleeing Norway with your tail between your legs, being followed by a patrol boat who ultimately decided you weren't worth the effort and then write ....

My advice is, don't worry about foreign bureaucracy and live your dreams. You only get one chance.

"My advice is ...." - a curious turn of phrase for something that isn't advice.
 
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To Baggywrinkle, my advice to you is don't carp and bitch like a pigtail-pulling schoolgirl, snidely hunting for inconsistencies in other peoples' anecdotes. Our departure from Norway was hilarious, we sailed out at the weekend, past the local yacht/dinghy racing club, where all the young dinghy racers and their mums and dads gave us a great send-off.
They didn't notice that proudly flying on my port flag halyard was a pair of knickers belonging to one of their dinghy team, which had been ripped off the previous night, in the heat of the moment by one of my crew and subsequently donated for him to keep under his pillow as a keepsake :)
The incident with their CG was further out to sea.
 

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At the RYA cruising conference they stated the the EU had already offered a longer tourist access, visa free, with the proviso that the UK reciprocate. The UK turned it down as they didn't want to reciprocate for all member states.

I think that was one of the drivers for these efforts to lobby for a rethink - both by the petitions and by writing to MPs. The 90/180 restriction seems to be driven by narrow mindedness rather than any logic or value to the U.K.

(Though I am not rushing to write to own my MP, as unless they are one of Boris’ luvvies or Dennis’ mates I don’t think they will have any influence on anything - and our SNP MP is certainly not one of Boris’ favourites)
 

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I think that was one of the drivers for these efforts to lobby for a rethink - both by the petitions and by writing to MPs. The 90/180 restriction seems to be driven by narrow mindedness rather than any logic or value to the U.K...
The 90/180 is the EU/Schengen 'standard' for third party countries which the UK becomes at the end of the transition without some other agreement in place
 

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I thought sailing around was supposed to be a risky, spicy, exciting way to spend your days.

The gypsy song goes,
' My father left me an inheritance,
It was the Sun and the Moon,
And no matter where I roam,
The spending of it is never done..'

I appreciate it if you got kids on board, kowtowing to jackbooted dago gauleiters, but really.. nervously anguishing over EU Regs? that is just embarrassing.
Joker, has that happened to you? I got a stop note in Norway, but I just departed ( from Kristiansand) and a patrol boat came alongside but they weren't prepared to shoot, so what then? Sweet Fanny Adams. Bye bye tusen takk.
My advice is, don't worry about foreign bureaucracy and live your dreams. You only get one chance.

Have you tried arguing with the Wasserschutzpolitzei? One arrogant Brit vs policemen carrying sidearms. I'd love to be a fly on the wall.

PS - I think we should stop feeding the troll.
 

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To Baggywrinkle, my advice to you is don't carp and bitch like a pigtail-pulling schoolgirl, snidely hunting for inconsistencies in other peoples' anecdotes.

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Our departure from Norway was hilarious, we sailed out at the weekend, past the local yacht/dinghy racing club, where all the young dinghy racers and their mums and dads gave us a great send-off.
They didn't notice that proudly flying on my port flag halyard was a pair of knickers belonging to one of their dinghy team, which had been ripped off the previous night, in the heat of the moment by one of my crew and subsequently donated for him to keep under his pillow as a keepsake :)
The incident with their CG was further out to sea.

If your crew member persuaded one of the young dinghy racers to part with her underwear while under the watchful eye of her parents, then I can perhaps understand your incentive to beat a hasty retreat before incurring the wrath of the relevant authorities .....
 

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I don't actually think it's possible that Ohlin believes the tripe that he is spouting. Anyway, another one for the ignore list :)

I wouldn't be too confident in that, what recent events have illustrated is that some people really are indeed incredibly thick and/or ignorant. Quite why anyone would not have him on ignore is the question.
 

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So will there be a Gestapo-style Eurodatabase tracking the exact movements of hundreds of thousands of itinerant cruising yachts? Because there isn't anything like that in existence at the moment, different bits of Norway can't even communicate between themselves, same goes for Spain.
I agree with the petition, (signed) but surely in practice the huge infrastructure needed to track, log, analyse, hunt and arrest all of us miscreants staying a day over 90/180 would be so gigantic, that the risk of boarding and fining by jackbooted guards will surely be minimal?
Personally I don't give a monkey's about rules and regulations, but I can fully appreciate that some yachts can't take risks, especially if you've got kids on board etc.
Let's not get too gloomy about this bureaucracy. As Churchill said:
"When heads roll in Europe, a football rolls in London"..
(Well he didn't actually, I made it up, but you get my gist..)
There will be no problem tracking you if you have your AIS broadcasting. We were stopped by French customs a couple of years ago and the guy had an IPAD showing exactly where we had been and when. Then the onus is on you to prove you were out of the EU but your boat was in it.
 

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This has a big effect on me, as we tend to travel round Europe for long periods. Therefore I wrote to my MP this week about this issue and got a reply from the Minister for the European community. The reply confirmed that we will be restricted to 90/180 and that "both EU and Non-EU citizens visitng the UK for tourism will be allowed to do so for 6 months at a time without a visa". To me this can't be what most people expected whether they voted for Brexit or for remain. If we can get the daily mail readers furous that the French have better rights than the English there may be some hope of a change here. You live in hope!
 

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Signed. Seems like a no brainer.
If we revert to 90 in 180, this will directly affect my plans for an Atlantic circuit next year- I'll have 90 days between crossing Biscay and leaving the Canaries, which leaves me with trying to juggle a late Biscay crossing or an early Transat, neither of which is ideal for safety.
Of course in an ideal world I would like to take as long as I need, including staying in Europe for a year. But that option looks like it's gone.
Forgive an ignorant question: are you not out of EU waters at any point between the UK and the Canaries? Or even if you are, do you have to be in non-EU national waters, and not just international one, to reset the clock?
 

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Forgive an ignorant question: are you not out of EU waters at any point between the UK and the Canaries? Or even if you are, do you have to be in non-EU national waters, and not just international one, to reset the clock?
The problem is that the 180 is a rolling window, you can't 'reset the clock' by moving out of national waters.
 
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There will be no problem tracking you if you have your AIS broadcasting. We were stopped by French customs a couple of years ago and the guy had an IPAD showing exactly where we had been and when. Then the onus is on you to prove you were out of the EU but your boat was in it.
And if you don't broadcast AIS, so then what?
 
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