90 in 180 limit from 1st January.

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If you prefer 180 days in 360 to 90 days in 180 (as I do) then I suggest that you sign the petition at
www.change.org/p/mps-demand-6-months-visa-free-tourism-in-the-eu-for-brits?utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=custom_url&recruited_by_id=66ce0570-9a15-11ea-825c-49e46194245a .

Why the UK government should prefer to offer better terms to the EU than it expects the EU to offer to its own citizens I cannot imagine. Surely parity should be the Brexit negotiations' ambition on this issue. I would prefer parity at 180 in 360 because it better suits boating tourists (with slow vehicles). Would you prefer otherwise ? I have written to my MP to ask what is the problem with our government in not wishing to negotiate for parity in length of stay. If you are not proposing to leave the UK, I would encourage you also to write to your MP to express your concern.Screenshot 2020-06-03 at 00.07.55.png
 

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That's what Brexiteers voted for ... to end freedom of movement ... look at the smirk on Pritis face as she makes the announcement - that's not just freedom of movement into the UK she's talking about, she is fully aware that the UKs choice will be reciprocated in the EU so it's freedom of movement of UK citizens too - and always was.

Why not read Nomadic Matts blog, he's been trying to get round the 90/180 rule as a US citizen ...

Your Guide to (Legally) Staying in Europe for More Than 90 Days

When I planned my move to Sweden a few years ago, I tried to figure out how to get past the 90-day limit placed on tourist visas in the Schengen Area. This is a problem encountered by thousands of travelers every year and a question that regularly (especially this time of year) pops up in my inbox.

“How can I stay in Europe for more than 90 days?” I’m always asked.


It’s a great question with a very complicated answer. I always knew it was difficult, but until I started researching how to stay there longer, I never knew just how difficult. But in the process of this research, I came to learn there are a few ways to stay in Europe longer than 90 days; they just aren’t well known.

When I planned my move to Sweden a few years ago, I tried to figure out how to get past the 90-day limit placed on tourist visas in the Schengen Area. This is a problem encountered by thousands of travelers every year and a question that regularly (especially this time of year) pops up in my inbox.

“How can I stay in Europe for more than 90 days?” I’m always asked.


It’s a great question with a very complicated answer. I always knew it was difficult, but until I started researching how to stay there longer, I never knew just how difficult. But in the process of this research, I came to learn there are a few ways to stay in Europe longer than 90 days; they just aren’t well known.

Brexiteers - you used to travel in Europe before the EU just fine, so what's the problem?

PS: My apologies to any remainers who have been caught out by Brexit and are now wondering how they will visit their holiday homes/boats on a regular basis - but for Brexit voters - don't tell me you didn't anticipate these problems and please tell me you voted Brexit in the full knowledge that it would put your ability to travel and/or retire in Europe in jeopardy.

PPS: It has been suggested that you just ignore the 90 day rule as the likelihood of getting caught is pretty slim. It might be, but the consequences of getting caught can be a lifelong travel ban from the Schengen area - your choice. No different to the illegals coming to the UK and relying on not getting caught in order to stay in the UK indefinitely is it?
 
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The chances of getting caught could be quite high if you have to scan passport on departure from an EU exit point.
 

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PPS: It has been suggested that you just ignore the 90 day rule as the likelihood of getting caught is pretty slim. It might be, but the consequences of getting caught can be a lifelong travel ban from the Schengen area - your choice. No different to the illegals coming to the UK and relying on not getting caught in order to stay in the UK indefinitely is it?
I can't wait to see all the 'slam the gates' Brexiteers who think it won't affect them getting rounded up in Europe as illegal immigrants.
 
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I thought sailing around was supposed to be a risky, spicy, exciting way to spend your days.

The gypsy song goes,
' My father left me an inheritance,
It was the Sun and the Moon,
And no matter where I roam,
The spending of it is never done..'

I appreciate it if you got kids on board, kowtowing to jackbooted dago gauleiters, but really.. nervously anguishing over EU Regs? that is just embarrassing.
Joker, has that happened to you? I got a stop note in Norway, but I just departed ( from Kristiansand) and a patrol boat came alongside but they weren't prepared to shoot, so what then? Sweet Fanny Adams. Bye bye tusen takk.
My advice is, don't worry about foreign bureaucracy and live your dreams. You only get one chance.
 
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A very recent survey within the EU found 49% of Italians wanted to leave the EU which is a staggering amount considering how their economy has been propped up by the EU. Holland and Spain are also finding strong support to leave.
It took me a while to source this ridiculous 'survey' as only the Lega media were wetting themselves about it and they have been careful to talk only percentages and waffle on. No mainstream press, left or right-wing has covered it. And there's a reason: the 'staggering' survey that shows "49% of Italians want to leave the EU" is based on a sample size of 1000 questioned over two days exactly after the news broke of the Netherlands and co refusing to allow the EU to help (which of course subsequently has been reversed). In other words: fake news.
 

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I thought sailing around was supposed to be a risky, spicy, exciting way to spend your days.

The gypsy song goes,
' My father left me an inheritance,
It was the Sun and the Moon,
And no matter where I roam,
The spending of it is never done..'

I appreciate it if you got kids on board, kowtowing to jackbooted dago gauleiters, but really.. nervously anguishing EU Regs? that is just embarrassing.
Joker, has that happened to you? I got a stop note in Norway, but I just departed ( from Kristisnsand) and a patrol boat came alongside but they weren't prepared to shoot, so what then? Sweet Fanny Adams. Bye bye tusen takk.
My advice is, don't worry about foreign bureaucracy and live your dreams. You only get one chance.
That's the spirit! We're British. Johnny Foreigner rules don't apply to us! Send in the gunboats, what!
 

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I thought sailing around was supposed to be a risky, spicy, exciting way to spend your days.

The gypsy song goes,
' My father left me an inheritance,
It was the Sun and the Moon,
And no matter where I roam,
The spending of it is never done..'

I appreciate it if you got kids on board, kowtowing to jackbooted dago gauleiters, but really.. nervously anguishing over EU Regs? that is just embarrassing.
Joker, has that happened to you? I got a stop note in Norway, but I just departed ( from Kristiansand) and a patrol boat came alongside but they weren't prepared to shoot, so what then? Sweet Fanny Adams. Bye bye tusen takk.
My advice is, don't worry about foreign bureaucracy and live your dreams. You only get one chance.

If you want to stop worrying about foreign bureaucracy and live your dreams then the best solution is to understand the rules IMO ... not the same as "nervously anguishing over EU Regs" at all ... my UK registered boat was un-taxed and sitting in Croatia when they joined the EU and while all hell broke loose with boats impounded, dubious fees being levied and some crews fleeing to Italy, we sailed through, didn't pay VAT and got our VAT paid document and freedom to circulate in the EU with one trip to a Notar in Pula and a couple of hundred Euros. No stress and no problems because we understood the relevant legislation for boats in countries joining the EU. Some didn't.

Big fees hit boat owners in Croatia - Practical Boat Owner

If you enjoy the risk associated with not knowing what you're doing then carry on (y) ;) ... I hope it continues to work out for you, but I don't think it's the best advice as it just relies on luck.
 
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If you want to stop worrying about foreign bureaucracy and live your dreams then the best solution is to understand the rules IMO ... not the same as "nervously anguishing over EU Regs" at all ... my UK registered boat was un-taxed and sitting in Croatia when they joined the EU and while all hell broke loose with boats impounded, dubious fees being levied and some crews fleeing to Italy, we sailed through, didn't pay VAT and got our VAT paid document and freedom to circulate in the EU with one trip to a Notar in Pula and a couple of hundred Euros. No stress and no problems because we understood the relevant legislation for boats in countries joining the EU. Some didn't.

Big fees hit boat owners in Croatia - Practical Boat Owner

If you enjoy the risk associated with not knowing what you're doing then carry on (y) ;) ... I hope it continues to work out for you, but I don't think it's the best advice as it just relies on luck.
It's not 'advice', merely my general attitude to life :)
 

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It's not 'advice', merely my general attitude to life :)
I wonder how that attitude worked out for the red diesel fines of 3000 Euro levied in Belgium?
Anyone who has ever traveled the wider world by boat should know that flouting local rule is a bad idea.
I know someone who sailed a boat from Holland to the Canadian West Coast. Upon arrival in Canada there was some question regarding tax & import. When visiting the Customs office the skipper found they had a folder with most ports they had visited since leaving Europe and every single stop, they had made since leaving the Caribbean.
We have been checked and boarded multiple times in Holland and France. Registration was asked for and checked for validity, proff of VAT paid had to be produced, all passports were checked, copied down and phoned in.

Good luck with you free buccaneering attitude when the EU choses a more agressive approach post Brexit and in wake of the general beligerence spouted by the UK press and Westminster - we got a wee taste of it last year, until we, with UK registry, could produce passports indicating citizenship to one of the world's more harmless and polite countries.
Oh, and do send us a postcard from the Central American prison and let us know how you are getting on with Diego, your tattooed cell buddy from the local cartel.
 
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That's what Brexiteers voted for ... to end freedom of movement ... look at the smirk on Pritis face as she makes the announcement - that's not just freedom of movement into the UK she's talking about, she is fully aware that the UKs choice will be reciprocated in the EU so it's freedom of movement of UK citizens too - and always was.

Why not read Nomadic Matts blog, he's been trying to get round the 90/180 rule as a US citizen ...

Your Guide to (Legally) Staying in Europe for More Than 90 Days



Brexiteers - you used to travel in Europe before the EU just fine, so what's the problem?

PS: My apologies to any remainers who have been caught out by Brexit and are now wondering how they will visit their holiday homes/boats on a regular basis - but for Brexit voters - don't tell me you didn't anticipate these problems and please tell me you voted Brexit in the full knowledge that it would put your ability to travel and/or retire in Europe in jeopardy.

PPS: It has been suggested that you just ignore the 90 day rule as the likelihood of getting caught is pretty slim. It might be, but the consequences of getting caught can be a lifelong travel ban from the Schengen area - your choice. No different to the illegals coming to the UK and relying on not getting caught in order to stay in the UK indefinitely is it?

Infractions very often include the possible confiscation of the boat.
 
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I wonder how that attitude worked out for the red diesel fines of 3000 Euro levied in Belgium?
Anyone who has ever traveled the wider world by boat should know that flouting local rule is a bad idea.
I know someone who sailed a boat from Holland to the Canadian West Coast. Upon arrival in Canada there was some question regarding tax & import. When visiting the Customs office the skipper found they had a folder with most ports they had visited since leaving Europe and every single stop, they had made since leaving the Caribbean.
We have been checked and boarded multiple times in Holland and France. Registration was asked for and checked for validity, proff of VAT paid had to be produced, all passports were checked, copied down and phoned in.

Good luck with you free buccaneering attitude when the EU choses a more agressive approach post Brexit and in wake of the general beligerence spouted by the UK press and Westminster - we got a wee taste of it last year, until we, with UK registry, could produce passports indicating citizenship to one of the world's more harmless and polite countries.
Oh, and do send us a postcard from the Central American prison and let us know how you are getting on with Diego, your tattooed cell buddy from the local cartel.
Belay moping around like a misery-guts.
I am not concerned. Maybe the Reichstag needs re-bombing.

I had a couple of coppers on board on VE Day, for letting off flares.
S.O.P.


They accepted my mitigating circumstances and went on their way.

I don't literally know how the EU could take a 'MORE' buccaneering aggressive approach, can we not squabble amongst our British selves, but unite to fight the EU. It would not be the first time, do not kowtow!
Can't believe these ostensibly British Sailors licking the boot of some continental power. Absolutely unprecendented since the days of the Trinovantes. My family genetic ancestor, Warrior Queen Boudica of the Icenae, would scorn such treachery.
 

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Belay moping around like a misery-guts.
I am not concerned. Maybe the Reichstag needs re-bombing.

I had a couple of coppers on board on VE Day, for letting off flares.
S.O.P.


They accepted my mitigating circumstances and went on their way.

I don't literally know how the EU could take a 'MORE' buccaneering aggressive approach, can we not squabble amongst our British selves, but unite to fight the EU. It would not be the first time, do not kowtow!
Can't believe these ostensibly British Sailors licking the boot of some continental power. Absolutely unprecendented since the days of the Trinovantes. My family genetic ancestor, Warrior Queen Boudica of the Icenae, would scorn such treachery.
Brilliant.
With that attitude you are guaranteed to be the next candidate for a full cavity search.

I can only suspect you don't get around much. Try that anywhere else other than with the comparatively mild mannered EU and you will find that rubber glove so far up your stern quarters you may be sure they'll find your Boudica.

I'd love to see you go for your Iceni ( getting the spelling of you supposed ancestry right doesn't seem part of your genetic make-up either) warrior approach in Tangier, Panama, Costa Rica, Mexico or the US; you might, for some weeks after, feel some slight discomfort walking or sitting in your extradition cell.
 

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As a final point, the majority of the EU do not show any appreciation for how we initially stood alone in WWII to fight to allow them the freedoms they now have.

Apparently, I used a rude word when I replied to this post, which the dearies have been offended by, so here is my reply with the rude word removed:

Oh, as if that was done out of the kindness of our hearts. And how often have you thanked the French for coming over here and saving us from the savagery of the Celts?
The EU is a membership club. We decided we didn't like the terms of membership and have left. They are completely free to continue with their terms of membership and not give a fig about what we want. It is only the Brexit hard core and their [expletive deleted] Boris that think Britannia rules anything anymore. And they would shaft Europe as quick as look at you, so why should Europe hold them in any regard?
 
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