ianwright
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Spot on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
IanW
Vertue 203, Patience
Spot on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
IanW
Vertue 203, Patience
Twister_Ken
Well-known member
Training industry would love it
The chance to make even more money by inducing added fear, uncertainlty and doubt.
(BTW - I can't do secondary port calcs by the RYA method worth a cuss, but I've never run aground in one after 35 years sailing)
The chance to make even more money by inducing added fear, uncertainlty and doubt.
(BTW - I can't do secondary port calcs by the RYA method worth a cuss, but I've never run aground in one after 35 years sailing)
Twister_Ken
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Join the CA instead
It also lobbies (more effectively for the average cruisy sailor, some would say) and offers tons more 'stuff' than the RYA as well.
It also lobbies (more effectively for the average cruisy sailor, some would say) and offers tons more 'stuff' than the RYA as well.
Twister_Ken
Well-known member
Cruising Assoc at work
>But..to whom does the Cruising Association represent you?<
Current list of CA 'representation' (from their mag)
Environment Agency - menai Straits SAC
Home Office - Boat security
National Trust - dropping mooring proposals at Newtown Creek
PLA - Shornmead Lighthouse
RCA - loss of call signs
RYA - American organisation doing YMs
Trinity Ho - light dues for yachtsmen
Various bodies - offshore wind farms
ABP - Dibden Bay container port proposal
DTLR - Bathside Bay (don't ask me!)
Hydrographic Orifice - redesign of tidal atlases, fishermans pilots and other yachting publications
MCA - proposal to tax yachts
Portland Harbour - proposal to banleisure boats from parts of th eharbour
IMO - maintaining listening watch on Ch 16
>But..to whom does the Cruising Association represent you?<
Current list of CA 'representation' (from their mag)
Environment Agency - menai Straits SAC
Home Office - Boat security
National Trust - dropping mooring proposals at Newtown Creek
PLA - Shornmead Lighthouse
RCA - loss of call signs
RYA - American organisation doing YMs
Trinity Ho - light dues for yachtsmen
Various bodies - offshore wind farms
ABP - Dibden Bay container port proposal
DTLR - Bathside Bay (don't ask me!)
Hydrographic Orifice - redesign of tidal atlases, fishermans pilots and other yachting publications
MCA - proposal to tax yachts
Portland Harbour - proposal to banleisure boats from parts of th eharbour
IMO - maintaining listening watch on Ch 16
NigeCh
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Several years ago to refresh I went to John Goode's School in Southampton and had a great week in the classroom. I still sail with one of the people on that course. The course was excellent and I learned a great deal and had to unlearn other things too!
My gripe with the RYA exams is that they are not compulsory and that, like the driving test, no requirement to keep upto date with or even have knowledge of requirements that have changed (except that there is a legal requirement which most of us don't bother with until it's too late) ... ie It was only when my children took their driving tests over a period of 6 years and 3 sets of updated Highway Codes were re-read did I realise just how out of date I was.
My stance was provocative and you've hit it on the head when you say <but to impart the basics needed to go on and learn how to become good seamen.> I still cock-up, run aground, get into all sorts of situations .... but sailing is serious fun where .... or seriously serious when it all goes wrong.
If I've come across as an arrogant sod, then it wasn't meant that way. As I said to Peter Aird, <the trouble with words> posted is that sweeping statements are made in a few lines, and that those words don't necessarily convey either the meaning or intent: I post to stick pins in to provoke discussion - and that's me, warts and all.
Cheers,
Nige
(BTW, Which MRT were you associated with? Nige, JMCS)
Several years ago to refresh I went to John Goode's School in Southampton and had a great week in the classroom. I still sail with one of the people on that course. The course was excellent and I learned a great deal and had to unlearn other things too!
My gripe with the RYA exams is that they are not compulsory and that, like the driving test, no requirement to keep upto date with or even have knowledge of requirements that have changed (except that there is a legal requirement which most of us don't bother with until it's too late) ... ie It was only when my children took their driving tests over a period of 6 years and 3 sets of updated Highway Codes were re-read did I realise just how out of date I was.
My stance was provocative and you've hit it on the head when you say <but to impart the basics needed to go on and learn how to become good seamen.> I still cock-up, run aground, get into all sorts of situations .... but sailing is serious fun where .... or seriously serious when it all goes wrong.
If I've come across as an arrogant sod, then it wasn't meant that way. As I said to Peter Aird, <the trouble with words> posted is that sweeping statements are made in a few lines, and that those words don't necessarily convey either the meaning or intent: I post to stick pins in to provoke discussion - and that's me, warts and all.
Cheers,
Nige
(BTW, Which MRT were you associated with? Nige, JMCS)
BrendanS
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I do realise that you post provocatively..one of the reasons I responded! Certainly not arrogant, you gave me a lot of help a while back, sorting out when to go around headlands on the south coast, slack tides vs best times! Probably won't remember it, but it was immensely useful to me.
Agree that training is an issue, but not sure yet that compulsory training is yet required. As I mentioned in my post, I belong to a powerboat club, aimed at the smaller boats, and the ethos is all about safety...we get all sort of members, many of whom probably wouldn't start boating if they had to bear the costs of training. They start off small (14' some of them) and some have gone onto much bigger and better things. Along the way they do the sort of thing you and others have implied in your other posts, and as a club we unofficially train, run night exercises, training weekends, and take complete novices out with other members where they pick up knowledge by the usual routes. Most go on to take official courses, and many are now very highly qualified, but more importantly there are many in the club who are very, very experienced (sail, power, work in the industry etc) . I'm a rank novice by many of their standards.My point here is that we attract people who want to go boating, often have a low budget, and are not always inclined to go on 'official' courses. The more experienced members give time and energy to running the club and freely giving advice. Compulsory training would have excluded a lot of these people from ever joining the boating community.
Rather than sweep all into official training courses, which can be prohibitively expensive, newcomers and inexperienced should be guided towards clubs that cater for the group into which they feel they belong, where they can be guided into the knowledge they need to be safe and seamanlike.
RYA or similar courses for all would be an ideal, but would exclude so many people who genuinely love the sea, for want of time and money.
Brendan.
PS - mountain rescue team I was associated with was RAF St. Athan. Wasn't ever an official member as I wasn't RAF, and too young, but they did all my training as a youth (while in Air Training Corps at RAF St Athan), and was semi-officially adopted by some of the members, and went many places with them. An honour by a bunch of wonderful guys.
I do realise that you post provocatively..one of the reasons I responded! Certainly not arrogant, you gave me a lot of help a while back, sorting out when to go around headlands on the south coast, slack tides vs best times! Probably won't remember it, but it was immensely useful to me.
Agree that training is an issue, but not sure yet that compulsory training is yet required. As I mentioned in my post, I belong to a powerboat club, aimed at the smaller boats, and the ethos is all about safety...we get all sort of members, many of whom probably wouldn't start boating if they had to bear the costs of training. They start off small (14' some of them) and some have gone onto much bigger and better things. Along the way they do the sort of thing you and others have implied in your other posts, and as a club we unofficially train, run night exercises, training weekends, and take complete novices out with other members where they pick up knowledge by the usual routes. Most go on to take official courses, and many are now very highly qualified, but more importantly there are many in the club who are very, very experienced (sail, power, work in the industry etc) . I'm a rank novice by many of their standards.My point here is that we attract people who want to go boating, often have a low budget, and are not always inclined to go on 'official' courses. The more experienced members give time and energy to running the club and freely giving advice. Compulsory training would have excluded a lot of these people from ever joining the boating community.
Rather than sweep all into official training courses, which can be prohibitively expensive, newcomers and inexperienced should be guided towards clubs that cater for the group into which they feel they belong, where they can be guided into the knowledge they need to be safe and seamanlike.
RYA or similar courses for all would be an ideal, but would exclude so many people who genuinely love the sea, for want of time and money.
Brendan.
PS - mountain rescue team I was associated with was RAF St. Athan. Wasn't ever an official member as I wasn't RAF, and too young, but they did all my training as a youth (while in Air Training Corps at RAF St Athan), and was semi-officially adopted by some of the members, and went many places with them. An honour by a bunch of wonderful guys.
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Re: Yachtmaster exams
Well said
Well said
peterb
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Dibden Bay
It may be worth making the point that some months ago RYA and CA decided to work together by each taking up particular aspects at the Dibden Bay container port enquiry, thus avoiding duplication. Less than a week before they were due to give evidence, the RYA suddenly announced that they had received satisfactory assurances from ABP (the would-be developers of Dibden Bay) and would be withdrawing their objection, thus leaving CA in the lurch. Previously RYA and CA had cooperated in enquiries such as the Western Solent and Portland; I suspect that CA will be very wary about 'cooperating' again!
It may be worth making the point that some months ago RYA and CA decided to work together by each taking up particular aspects at the Dibden Bay container port enquiry, thus avoiding duplication. Less than a week before they were due to give evidence, the RYA suddenly announced that they had received satisfactory assurances from ABP (the would-be developers of Dibden Bay) and would be withdrawing their objection, thus leaving CA in the lurch. Previously RYA and CA had cooperated in enquiries such as the Western Solent and Portland; I suspect that CA will be very wary about 'cooperating' again!
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Re: Yachtmaster exams
Me, got my YM Offshore with CE on the back of my hard earned Boatmans Licence. For what its worth go and do your YM ticket you'll enjoy the company and it will make you feel good about yourself and more confident after youv'e got it.
BTW when I took my BM ticket it was rather like the London Cabbies "doing-the-knowledge" the examiner would say "HW Dover was xyz your on the N.Goodwin Buoy at such a time" Whats the course to Ramsgate Harbour Entrance? or Whats the bearing on Ramsgates leading lights? or you are in reducing vis At what point do you ask (and HOW) would you tell your passengers to put on lifejackets without giving them a heart attack? all this had to come from memory and I can honestly say it was hell, never sweated as much in my life but after he said I'd passed I felt that I floated into the pub with all my new boatmen mates and got pissed but boy was I a happy chappie<s> the feeling was one I will aways remember. I also would reccommend it because once you've done it you can pass on some of the knowledge to other boaters which is one of the things that gives me most pleasure these days.
Me, got my YM Offshore with CE on the back of my hard earned Boatmans Licence. For what its worth go and do your YM ticket you'll enjoy the company and it will make you feel good about yourself and more confident after youv'e got it.
BTW when I took my BM ticket it was rather like the London Cabbies "doing-the-knowledge" the examiner would say "HW Dover was xyz your on the N.Goodwin Buoy at such a time" Whats the course to Ramsgate Harbour Entrance? or Whats the bearing on Ramsgates leading lights? or you are in reducing vis At what point do you ask (and HOW) would you tell your passengers to put on lifejackets without giving them a heart attack? all this had to come from memory and I can honestly say it was hell, never sweated as much in my life but after he said I'd passed I felt that I floated into the pub with all my new boatmen mates and got pissed but boy was I a happy chappie<s> the feeling was one I will aways remember. I also would reccommend it because once you've done it you can pass on some of the knowledge to other boaters which is one of the things that gives me most pleasure these days.
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Re: Training industry would love it
SNAP, always had probs with secondary port calcs, but like you I must be doing something right as I've never run aground<s>
SNAP, always had probs with secondary port calcs, but like you I must be doing something right as I've never run aground<s>
mldpt
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I guess you also think this should apply to the car driving licence, as surely there is far more risk on the roads, and if we are to be re tested every 5 years, then the YM exam should be taken by every skipper. what is the point of re testing those that have bothered to sit the exam when most boat users would not even consider taking the exam.
Mike.
I guess you also think this should apply to the car driving licence, as surely there is far more risk on the roads, and if we are to be re tested every 5 years, then the YM exam should be taken by every skipper. what is the point of re testing those that have bothered to sit the exam when most boat users would not even consider taking the exam.
Mike.
