Who owns a boat name?

[extravert]

I am buying a used boat and the previous owner says that he wants to keep the name for his replacement. Does that mean I am obliged to change the name of the boat, or can I leave it as it is? The new boat he is buying is virtually the same, which means that if I keep the name there will be two very similar boats of the same name. They will be over 1000 miles apart though. Is this likely to cause problems?

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[Jacket]

The standard dodge to get around this is to add the name of your home port to the existing name- "Sally of hamble" or whatever. Of course, you add the "of Hamble" bit in very small letters, and continue to refer to the boat as Sally.

 

[Twister_Ken]

\'Tis a problem

And many owner's have insisted on it, Ted Heath for one. That's why one old Morning Cloud was renamed Morning After. One good reason for doing this is that for Part One registration, a name has to be unique. Therefore if the owner has managed to come up with unique name, he may wish to retain it for vessel number two. I suspect you're facing a name change, but ask first if he'd be OK with the name being modified, so that if it is now Tosspot would he mind if you renamed it Tosspot of Torquay (or whatever).

 

[bedouin]

If the boat is Part 1 registered then the name stays with the boat - and is unique within all Part 1 registered boats. If the seller wants to keep the name then it will be up to him to re-register the boat under a new name before selling it to you.

If the boat is not Part 1 registered then you can call the boat anything you like.

 

[extravert]

It's only Part 3 registered, so sounds like I can call it what I like, ie not change the name.

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[claymore]

I found that I shared a boat name with someone. This became a problem as the person was always getting things wrong and being towed in by the lifeboat and generally a bit of a dipstick. The problem of course was that people thought it was me!

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[Guest]

Nobody has mentioned the superstitious aspect of this question. Seem to recall folklore dictates it is bad luck to change the name of a boat UNLESS the original owner keeps the name and sells the boat "unnamed".

 

[snowleopard]

not so...

under part 1 the seller can retain the name and require the new owner to change the boat's name.

the owner of 'skylark' owns the name and no one else can regiser it, nor can they have 'skylark 2' or 'skylark II' (but 'skylark too' is allowed).

 

[sailbadthesinner]

and i will bet he made exactly the same assertion to add to the confusion

Ok brain let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.

 

[david_e]

Name changing myth

Is there any evidence to support this. Loads of boats have name changes and carry on regardless, and many boats change hands with the same name and have bad luck - how would you classify 'bad luck'?

My last boat served us well for 2 seasons, was crashed when partly sold, which would be bad luck - but it had no name on it or registered against it.

 

[Stingo]

Re: Name changing myth

To avoid bad luck, you must take your boat out of the water, then rename her and then relaunch her. And don't forget the bottle of bubbly.

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[Guest]

Re: Name changing myth

I did label it "superstition" and "folklore", which is not necessarily compatible with evidence. I guess it is a matter of believing in what you're comfortable with, regardless of the "evidence".

The boating superstition I find interesting is when eating fish on the bone, one must eat one side, remove the complete bone and then eat the remaining filet without turning it over. If you turn the fishbone over on your plate to eat the other side, the fisherman who caught the fish will capsize next trip. Like so many of these things, there may be a practical basis to it - I suspect if you turn it over, you'll more likely get a bone caught in your throat.

Maybe it's time to start a thread on sailing superstitions - there must be some wonderful ones out there that we break every time we go sailing....

 

[david_e]

Re: Name changing myth

So...wait for big wind.....full sail....blast up wave face......boat clears the water......crack open bubbly....rename boat. Sounds simple enough to me!

 

[Stingo]

Re: Name changing myth

.. and repeat the words "I hereby name this ship...." before she goes splosh.

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[chriscallender]

Re: Name changing myth

Even better, getting some minor distant royal family member or similar dignitary to do it for you.

 

[Guest]

Re: Name changing myth

Don't forget to invite the local bishop or his deputy to bless the craft and all etc

 

[claymore]

Sailbad....

smacked botties!

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[claymore]

Change the name

and change the luck is the expression I heard

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[FlyingSpud]

Re: Name changing myth

Umm…..

I have to rename my boat, took more time choosing the name than any one of my three kids AND I intend to go through the whole palaver of committing the boat to Neptune and so on. Of course I know its nonsense, but ………..well it is, sort of, the gods we are talking about here, and I’ve no wish to antagonise them.

And anyone that thinks that the sea and weather can’t sometimes have it in for you personally, in a vindictive nasty way, is just plain mad, or not sailed much.

 

[Chris_Robb]

I changed the name..

When I bought my Victory, she was called 'Brigaret' On her delievry voyage from Holland to Chichester, the engine konked out in the north seas blowing a westerly force 8. Skipper was heard to mutter the words 'bugger it' - the name stuck. Well its ok for someone else's boat to be called that but not mine.

When I spoke to the widow of the previous owner and she asked if I was keeping the name - he was Brian and she was Margaret hence Bri garet. So the name was changed. to Corsair - which degeneratied into Coarsehair and then Pubes - I give up!

But she's a lucky boat - so don't worry about a name change.