Whilst walking in the marina I saw these 2 horrors

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When I walk round the marina, I am always looking casually at other boats. Recently I saw these two horrors.

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This is the lower shroud for a 30ft yacht. It looks like the fitting is screwed to the deck rather than through bolted. It is probably leaking as well. I have tried to contact the owner with a warning.

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Ouch. More than one bash and some colour added to try and mask the damage.

What have you seen recently - before most boats start sailing this season.
 
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The first one is just a cover, no need to be bolted - I'd even class screws that size as overkill. I don't like split pins done like that though.

I'm dealing with pontoon damage like the second one at the moment, which has caused me a huge amount of work because I have to repaint the whole topsides - I can understand the temptation to bodge and carry on sailing. I would ensure the glass is covered with epoxy though - that's a right mess
 
KevinV said:
The first one is just a cover, no need to be bolted - I'd even class screws that size as overkill. I don't like split pins done like that though.

I'm dealing with pontoon damage like the second one at the moment, which has caused me a huge amount of work because I have to repaint the whole topsides - I can understand the temptation to bodge and carry on sailing. I would ensure the glass is covered with epoxy though - that's a right mess
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Could you explain how the first one is just a cover please? I am genuinely interested what anchor point is for the bottle screw.
I completely agree about the lack of due diligence to the split pins…… ripped a fantastic GoreTex suit on such a rubbish split pin arrangement once.
 
OCuea said:
Could you explain how the first one is just a cover please? I am genuinely interested what anchor point is for the bottle screw.
I completely agree about the lack of due diligence to the split pins…… ripped a fantastic GoreTex suit on such a rubbish split pin arrangement once.
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I once ripped open the entire backside of my favourite chinos on something like that once. T_T

Ruined my day really as I had no change of clothes with me.
 
OCuea said:
Could you explain how the first one is just a cover please? I am genuinely interested what anchor point is for the bottle screw.
I completely agree about the lack of due diligence to the split pins…… ripped a fantastic GoreTex suit on such a rubbish split pin arrangement once.
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The chainplate is a flat bar passing through the deck.
The cover is a separate thin sheet of stainless with a slot in it, and two screw holes. Its job is too hide and protect the copious lump of sealant that is needed between the chainplate and the hole in the deck.
 
OCuea said:
Could you explain how the first one is just a cover please? I am genuinely interested what anchor point is for the bottle screw.
I completely agree about the lack of due diligence to the split pins…… ripped a fantastic GoreTex suit on such a rubbish split pin arrangement once.
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Here is an account of the rebedding of a chain plate on my Sadler, including photos that will make it all clear.
Sadler 34 lower and cap chainplates
 
I’m not so sure about the first one simply being a cover - it looks like a welded flange although it’s difficult to see clearly. Also, are those machine screws? Again, difficult to be sure, If so it suggests a more structural element - one in which I wouldn’t want to put too much faith.
As for the second picture: it’s pretty similar to several entire boats in my harbour 🙄

Sea Change - You’re missing out on a huge part of the fun!
 
Frayed Knot said:
I’m not so sure about the first one simply being a cover - it looks like a welded flange although it’s difficult to see clearly. Also, are those machine screws?
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i think what looks like weld is just the sealant around the bar carrying the load. If you look to the left of the jackstay you can see what appears to be the edge of the slot in the cover through which the bar taking the load passes.

I don't see why the cover being held on by machine screws is questionable. Tapered screws don't usually work well in GRP. Those machine screws are only unusual and noticeable, it seems to me, in having flat heads instead of countersunk heads.
 
Frayed Knot said:
I’m not so sure about the first one simply being a cover - it looks like a welded flange although it’s difficult to see clearly. Also, are those machine screws? Again, difficult to be sure, If so it suggests a more structural element - one in which I wouldn’t want to put too much faith.
As for the second picture: it’s pretty similar to several entire boats in my harbour 🙄

Sea Change - You’re missing out on a huge part of the fun!
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It is a cover as already said above, just to hide the sealant around the chainplates where they pass through the deck, no structural use whatsoever. My Moody has them on all shrouds/chainplates.
 
Aardee said:
I work in a marina, if I photographed every "freestyle repair" I'd still be here at midnight ;)
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I'd find the collection of 'wet string' that most owners tie up their beloved boat far more interesting. There being a prize for the number of Xs in an OXO on the cleat and a booby prize for locking turns. Extra booby prize for locking turns done the wrong way.
 
LittleSister said:
i think what looks like weld is just the sealant around the bar carrying the load. If you look to the left of the jackstay you can see what appears to be the edge of the slot in the cover through which the bar taking the load passes.

I don't see why the cover being held on by machine screws is questionable. Tapered screws don't usually work well in GRP. Those machine screws are only unusual and noticeable, it seems to me, in having flat heads instead of countersunk heads.
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Not questionable in the least; anything adding security is a plus. I was just surprised as the similar (loose) plates on my own boat are only screwed down rather than bolted through a-le-Vyv.
I’m still not convinced that’s not a weld though 😁
 
Sandy said:
I'd find the collection of 'wet string' that most owners tie up their beloved boat far more interesting. There being a prize for the number of Xs in an OXO on the cleat and a booby prize for locking turns. Extra booby prize for locking turns done the wrong way.
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You might find us guilty of locking turns. But they’re on lines we leave on the dock, still attached. When we come in, we take the bow and stern lines ashore, which we’ve taken with us. Those springs just pop right on, putting us in exactly the right place for our dock mounted fenders. Saves a lot of time.
 
I'm guilty of locking turns, probably as a result of a few years of fish farming, where the slippery polypropylene ropes need locking turns, otherwise you'll risk the workboat coming adrift on your first day and everybody laughing at the daft yachty who can't tie up a boat properly...
 
On my boat, the rectangular plates are just covers with sealant to make sure there are no leaks. Shrouds and babystay. I've recently resealed mine with butyl tape, secured with screws as pictured. Moody 33 mk2.
 
I'm a bit more forgiving of the bow repair. It is possible that's simply a repair, a bodge, until he gets the yacht out of the water and he, or she, can do it properly. Its difficult to effect a repair in the water so close to the waterline with a bit of chop from moving yachts. So fill it, as we see, and then do it properly next week, next month.

There actually looks to be another temporary repair, another bodge, down at and below the water line. It seems it occurred at a different time as the two collisions are only connected as they are on the same yacht.

Jonathan
 
There is another way of lookingh at all this criticism of peoples boats and things not done properly. To me there is a joy in bodging and fixing things and generally maintaining my little boat in just the way I think serves the purpose. Others may criticise my perseverance with old ropes rough paint jobs etc but that is my joy to do it my way. (on a shoe string budget) ol'will
 
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