Which trailer sailer!

[mrming]

I actually think starting from the trailer might prove a really good way to equalise the boats. The faster your boat is, the harder it's going to be to rig. The real trailer-sailers would be away first and the trailable yachts would catch them up, only for the whole lot to be passed by the Dragonfly once it's unfolded and rigged. I was actually thinking Chichester Harbour as a great testing ground, although it would depend on where everyone was coming from as it's obviously a bit biased towards southern types.

 

[Seajet]

Not when one doesn't have trailer, and as I mentioned the A22 is not a trailer sailer, I'd think other boats here inc Evolution 25's are not too relaxing to tow either !

If this race / rally is going to happen it will take a fair bit of organisation; it's notable that the Scuttlebutt Solent to Poole Rally had 20-30 starters to begin with, but ended up with half a dozen actually taking part.

 

[Ru88ell]

When are we doing this? Sounds like a great idea. I'm in for sure with my Cape Cutter.

That actually sounds like fun. Trailable boats regatta. Raced on PY numbers.

Rules, you must launch and recover from a slipway. It's a two day event and all your crew must sleep on the boat.

From the various boats that thread contributors own (and Byron's numbers), it looks like it would be a pretty good race:

Dragonfly 920 (763)
Super Seal 26 (987)
Hunter Delta (1016)
Evolution 25 (1007)
Trapper TS240 (1009)
Viva 700 (?)
Beneteau First 235 (979)
Anderson 22 (1063)
Beneteau First 210 (999)
Jeanneau Sun 2000 (1052)
Cape Cutter 19 (?)
Frolic 18 (?)

Can anyone suggest a suitable venue with a slipway and somewhere for us all to tie up / moor?

 

[northwind]

For a bit more fun, the boats must be de-rigged and hitched to a tow vehicle at the start of the race

So long as the tow vehicle is one of these,

that will be fine.

Most of the boats on the list are by no means trailerable. And I need a crew of gorillas or a crane to step my mast.

 

[Twister_Ken]

Now, have returned from a weekend's sailing (no F11 I'm afraid) I'm perplexed to discover that the Anderson 22 is the best trailer sailer by far, except it can't be trailed.

Isn't that a fatal flaw?

Just to chuck another dog biscuit into the bowl (in the unlikely event that the OP hasn't died of boredom) how about a Cornish Shrimper or Crabber?

 

[AngusMcDoon]

Most of the boats on the list are by no means trailerable. And I need a crew of gorillas or a crane to step my mast.

Mine comes with a mast raising kit. The mast being carbon is really quite light and 2 people can easily hoik it around, and the raising kit keeps it in line all the way up...

However, like yours, it is not weekend trailerable. It needs a Land Rover or its ilk to tow it...

 

[AngusMcDoon]

The real trailer-sailers would be away first and the trailable yachts would catch them up, only for the whole lot to be passed by the Dragonfly once it's unfolded and rigged.

The last (and only) time I assembled and launched it from its trailer it took me 2 days. Better be a long race!

The hardest part is getting the floats attached to the beams, because they are heavy, rounded and nothing to grab hold of when lifting.

 

[Twister_Ken]

There's an exciting looking mini-transat parked across the marina from me, a Zero. UNfortunately it's too beamy to tow, except the fiendishly clever frogs have got around that by tipping it over a bit.

See here:

http://www.northamericanminitransat.com/Towing.html

 

[AngusMcDoon]

There's an exciting looking mini-transat parked across the marina from me, a Zero. UNfortunately it's too beamy to tow, except the fiendishly clever frogs have got around that by tipping it over a bit.

See here:

http://www.northamericanminitransat.com/Towing.html

You'd get a few strange looks on the motorway towing that. And it would tip all the wineglasses out of their rack. Do mini-transats have a wineglass rack?

 

[Lakesailor]

Quite a few powerboat racers tilt them on the trailer to make them easier to tow legally.

 

[Simondjuk]

Simon, as for a race under PY, please bring it on; for info I've had the misfortune to go below on an Evolution 25 and several other Julian Everitt designs, none of which worried the A22 in any significant weather, despite the stripes...

I think you're a little confused, I didn't suggest the race.

As for your misfortune, are you sure it was an Evo you went below on? It looks like this down there...

 

[Twister_Ken]

I think you're a little confused, I didn't suggest the race.

As for your misfortune, are you sure it was an Evo you went below on? It looks like this down there...

Very nice - such a shame it wasn't designed by the blesséd Oliver Lee so it can't be any good.

And you, sir, presumably must have an hirsute derrière?

 

[Simondjuk]

Both my wife and I, naturally, else we'd surely never have coped.

 

[Zagato]

Very nice Simon but not as nice as your current yacht. She looked lovely and serene going over to Poole whilst I was bashing away as though I was in some kind of dinghy live and learn I suppose with a bit of sail setting practice.

Howzabout a Hawk 20 with a cabin - I looked at a couple of these in Haslar marina last week. Elderly couple in late 60's toodle around the Solent in one with their grand children although I always thought they were more fast dinghy than say.... Oh yes a nice family Drascombe Drifter I did like them though although probably very pricey second hand.

Remarkable old girl in the Hawk 20, the cabin was empty, nothing in it at all, never been fitted out, not even seats......she was still using a bucket!!

 

[TSB240]

I think you're a little confused, I didn't suggest the race.

As for your misfortune, are you sure it was an Evo you went below on? It looks like this down there...

I can see why you miss her!

Simon

Meanwhile out of the fairy tale world of Hans Christian Anderson 22

I have just got back from sailing our lightweight poorly ballasted only suitable for racing round the cans non oliver lee designed trailable yacht.

Despite the fact I was totally incapacitated by sea food poisoning for our return journey.

Despite the fact my arthritic wife was my only crew.

Despite the fact that it was blowing 5-6 gusting 7

We enjoyed our 36 mile cruise taking in the sights of Beamaris and Conway.

Some one proposed a race....

Now how about Portsmouth to Vannes in the Morbihan..

I will be loaded up on the night ferry to St Malo on the 17th....

Do I really have to take the gorillaz also? Chester Zoo wont be happy if they go awol for 3 weeks..

 

[mrming]

If this race / rally is going to happen it will take a fair bit of organisation...

Can't we just talk about it for a bit longer? Half the fun is in the planning after all...

Simon - I remember seeing your Evo advertised for sale when I was looking for my boat last year. It was well over my budget unfortunately which was a shame cause it looks like one of the nicest examples of any boat I've seen. An amazing amount of work must have gone into it.

Angus - that Dragonfly is truly a thing. Looks lovely and comfy inside too. Is the idea that you fold it up for marina berthing etc?

Incidentally putting up my 29ft mast is not exactly a walk in the park either. I would need the help of a few gorillas. On the mini-transat front, my boat was developed from Finot's 1984 mini design, but made narrower for easier towing, so I guess in a manner of sorts, it has crossed the Atlantic.

 

[ghostlymoron]

I'm always amazed by the design of other lift keels.

The Anderson 22 has a ballast bulb which stays outside the hull ( also keeps the hull off stones and pointy things generally ) - this bulb is veed on top, so fairs in with the hull; in 34 years I have never had mud or stones in the casing, and she settles dead upright in mud.

Keel up she draws 2', so more than an E-Boat or Swift 18 but hardly a lot and she's considerably more seaworthy...

I thought the main point of lift keels was to enable the boat to dry out AND STAY LEVEL. The Anderson, whilst it may be a fine little boat in other respects, can't do this.
I looked at this thread for some useful information (which presumably was why the OP asked the question) it seems to have degenerated into a slanging match between pro and anti Anderson 22s.

 

[AngusMcDoon]

Angus - that Dragonfly is truly a thing. Looks lovely and comfy inside too. Is the idea that you fold it up for marina berthing etc?

Yes. Takes about 1 minuter per side, so not onerous. Mantling and dismantling for trailing, however, is hard work.

 

[TSB240]

I thought the main point of lift keels was to enable the boat to dry out AND STAY LEVEL. The Anderson, whilst it may be a fine little boat in other respects, can't do this.

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The A22 in common with many trailable yachts on this thread could do with a pair of crutches to keep it upright. Its only on nice sheltered sandy beaches that you really need them. Our problem is more fore and aft!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/79352891/RWREP/VIDEO0036_0000003416.jpg

 

[AngusMcDoon]

The A22 in common with many trailable yachts on this thread could do with a pair of crutches to keep it upright. Its only on nice sheltered sandy beaches that you really need them. Our problem is more fore and aft!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/79352891/RWREP/VIDEO0036_0000003416.jpg

Is that somewhere near Trearddur?