Which trailer sailer!

PRV,

I think it's you who are confusing carabiner / snapshackles with piston shackles which are even less safe for dangling oneself in a harness, piston hanks are however spiffing for attaching foresails to a forestay though, where the load is on the cast eye not the piston.
 
Andy.....I think most of the world would opt for the Twister Ken and PRV interpretations.

And I'm certain it's caribiners that were found to be potentially unsafe in the '79 Fastnet report.

And who mentioned piston hanks at all?
 
NealB said:
Andy.....I think most of the world would opt for the Twister Ken and PRV interpretations.

And I'm certain it's caribiners that were found to be potentially unsafe in the '79 Fastnet report.

And who mentioned piston hanks at all?
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I've no idea what he's on about either; it's just more boaty-babble from the usual purveyor. We all know who's right.

There is only a small mention of harness attachments in the official report of the 79 Fastnet (section 3.56, para 5), and it doesn't say what type the hook was...

http://www.seasurvival.ca/uploads/2/9/2/5/2925208/fastnet-race-inquiry.pdf

One failed under load, but the person was recovered. I can't think why anyone would ever use a piston hank for anything other than attaching a sail to a stay or a dog to its lead.
 
AngusMcDoon said:
I remember seeing a warning on the label of a snap shackle in a chandlers stating not to be used for lifting purposes, but I can't remember which make.
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I just find it incredible that the WWF could try to sue Lewmar after such an obvious, not to say ridiculous, abuse of equipment. Only in America!
 
I am surprised that no one has mentioned the ancient, but eminently suitable Atalanta 26. You will have to look hard to find one in good condition but they can be trailed to a yard for launching and recovery.
 
mrming said:
Well having read the OP's original post again, I would say (if he does come back after all the snap shackle talk), Super Seal 26.
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The Super Seal - which led on to the Parker 27 when they grabbed the moulds - is a Ron Holland designed semi hot-rod with a low ballast ratio, more suited to gangs of hairy arsed blokes than a cruising family.

As for snap shackles, call them carabiners if you like, and the photo showed a piston job so I remarked on hanks.

Twister Ken, you clearly know all about porn stars called ' piston ', please either educate us on the subject with links or say something useful about boats ! :)
 
Seajet said:
The Super Seal - which led on to the Parker 27 when they grabbed the moulds - is a Ron Holland designed semi hot-rod with a low ballast ratio, more suited to gangs of hairy arsed blokes than a cruising family.
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Well I suggest the op would do better to read the Yachtsnet archive and review than accept the above.

I think to dismiss this boat as you do just reflects on your poor ability to give objective and constructive advice.

This seems to be a common feature in many of your postings and not just on this thread.

If one had been available at the right price I would have purchased a super seal or a Parker which would have met all my requirements for cruising around N Wales .
 
Seajet said:
As for snap shackles, call them carabiners if you like, and the photo showed a piston job so I remarked on hanks.

Twister Ken, you clearly know all about porn stars called ' piston ', please either educate us on the subject with links or say something useful about boats ! :)
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Andy....please have a google for, and then look at the pictures of: caribiners, snap shackles and piston hanks.

I think you'll soon see that you're pretty much alone in your understanding of what they are.

Twister Ken and PRV have both given you good pics of a caribiner and a snap shackle. I've shown some nice some piston hanks below.

Incidentally....I don't see any problem with a bit of thread drift. It's the way all conversations go. The OP hopefully learns a bit about trailer sailers, others might learn the names of bits of metal used to attach things together.
 
I'm sure the OP can deal with it. When I was new to the forum I posted about junk rigged Newbridge Navigators and Seajet said how awful they were. I got lots of anxious responses from people who were concerned I might be misled by the naughty Seajet!

I actually like Seajet and have a lot more time for him than many on here, but I could see for myself that he wasn't the sort of sailor who would understand the appeal of a fat slow junk. The thread went on to feature pictures which are now linked to the words 'junk rigged newbridge navigator' via Google. When I last googled images of the Navvy I thought, 'that's a very sleek looking Newbridge Naviga...oh no hold on, that's the famous Seajet boat'.
 
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Merry Girl

I would propose to you if only you hadn't momentarily fancied a Newbridge boat !

If people would bother to read my posts they might realise I try to give advice and don't push Andersons.

Though they are of course superior, resistance is futile...:)

Andy
 
Super Seals are still decent boats and compare well relative to Everitt designs but I'd suggest they still require an experienced skipper ( and what happens when he or she is exhausted ? ) - with the sail area and ballast ratio they are more suited to racing than family cruising.
 
Seajet said:
Super Seals are still decent boats and compare well relative to Everitt designs but I'd suggest they still require an experienced skipper ( and what happens when he or she is exhausted ? ) - with the sail area and ballast ratio they are more suited to racing than family cruising.
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Have to disagree with you on that one, I have a super seal, and sail it as a family boat, they are very forgiving, and a pleasure to sail, my children are all under 10, wife has arthritis in her back, and we have none of the supposed problems you highlight.
 
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