jj21
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We are also a cruising family with a Super Seal 26. Great for the kids, who love it. We have not had any problems with sail area/ballast ratios, but then we are quite happy to reef if necessary. I would happily recommend it. 
Which trailer sailer!
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Seajet
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Northwind,
I assure you I have no experience of your wife's transom, hairy or no and your finding me in the wardrobe was a simple mistake when I was checking the walls.
Am I right in suspecting you're quite an experienced sailor to handle a Super Seal easily, having said that how about when you get fatigued ?
I assure you I have no experience of your wife's transom, hairy or no and your finding me in the wardrobe was a simple mistake when I was checking the walls.
Am I right in suspecting you're quite an experienced sailor to handle a Super Seal easily, having said that how about when you get fatigued ?
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northwind
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I'm really not sure where you get the notion that a super seal is a handful, it not exactly like the kind of thing Ben Anslie sails in the Americas cup.
jcpa
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I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread.
I did think of suggesting my Kelt as a suitable boat (particularly as it was was mentioned earlier in the thread). However, like many of the boats that have been mentioned (Parkers, Seals, Evolutions, even Andersons), I would not describe these as trailer-sailers.
I would like to be able to trailer my Kelt home for the winter, but as has been mentioned, 2.96m is the widest beam that can be trailed without getting agreement for your route details from every police authority you pass through. The Kelt is 3.1m in the beam. Also, displacement is about 3t, which with trailer, gear, and tow vehicle, would probably exceed the 8.5t maximum gross train weight.
I think practical trailer-sailers must be smaller and lighter than most of the boats suggested - the OP was considering the Bene 211 and Sun 2000.
And I was going to say my boat's lifting keel got jammed up with Portsmouth Harbour mud last year, despite leaving it a bit down so it would move with each occasional grounding. I wondered if the movement simply jammed the grit in further! I made many duck dives trying to slide an old saw between the keel and its slot - freeing many stones, but eventually it was using a lever between the keel and slot end that finally got the keel to drop.
I did think of suggesting my Kelt as a suitable boat (particularly as it was was mentioned earlier in the thread). However, like many of the boats that have been mentioned (Parkers, Seals, Evolutions, even Andersons), I would not describe these as trailer-sailers.
I would like to be able to trailer my Kelt home for the winter, but as has been mentioned, 2.96m is the widest beam that can be trailed without getting agreement for your route details from every police authority you pass through. The Kelt is 3.1m in the beam. Also, displacement is about 3t, which with trailer, gear, and tow vehicle, would probably exceed the 8.5t maximum gross train weight.
I think practical trailer-sailers must be smaller and lighter than most of the boats suggested - the OP was considering the Bene 211 and Sun 2000.
And I was going to say my boat's lifting keel got jammed up with Portsmouth Harbour mud last year, despite leaving it a bit down so it would move with each occasional grounding. I wondered if the movement simply jammed the grit in further! I made many duck dives trying to slide an old saw between the keel and its slot - freeing many stones, but eventually it was using a lever between the keel and slot end that finally got the keel to drop.
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Simondjuk
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So, anything which fast an light is dangerous, especially when fatigued. Anything fat and slow is, well, fat and slow, which means it'll take you so long to arrive that you'll be fatigued, and a danger to yourself and everyone, else before you do arrive. There's surely a boat, which by definition must be spectacularly average, that falls right in the middle. If only we knew which boat that is.
Seajet
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It depends what one means by ' fast & light ', I'd suggest a matter of experience and design knowledge.
Light boats with low ballast ratios and relatively large sail areas tend to have quicker pitch & roll movement as well as requiring more active sail handling, which all leads to fatigue.
A family on such a boat usually relies pretty much on the stamina of the husband, unlike a racing crew of winch gorillas !
The Anderson 22 is pretty much ' medium displacement ' with 38 % ballast ratio ( with the ballast 4'6" down ) and 7'7" form stability with a slippery hull design; if I ever came across a better boat of equal size in heavy weather I'd mention it, but so far I haven't, sailing the A22 since 1978 and other boats since 1970; you are welcome to a race
Light boats with low ballast ratios and relatively large sail areas tend to have quicker pitch & roll movement as well as requiring more active sail handling, which all leads to fatigue.
A family on such a boat usually relies pretty much on the stamina of the husband, unlike a racing crew of winch gorillas !
The Anderson 22 is pretty much ' medium displacement ' with 38 % ballast ratio ( with the ballast 4'6" down ) and 7'7" form stability with a slippery hull design; if I ever came across a better boat of equal size in heavy weather I'd mention it, but so far I haven't, sailing the A22 since 1978 and other boats since 1970; you are welcome to a race
mrming
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... you are welcome to a race
Doesn't simondjuk have an Evolution 25? If so, no offence Andy, but unless he agrees to tow a sea anchor, that is a not a race you're likely to win.
AngusMcDoon
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...because with your stumpy little mast it takes decades to get anywhere
Figured out the difference between carbine hooks, carabiners, snap shackles and piston hanks yet? Any decade now you might get the hang of it.
Seajet
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...because with your stumpy little mast it takes decades to get anywhere
Figured out the difference between carbine hooks, carabiners, snap shackles and piston hanks yet? Any decade now you might get the hang of it.
Angus,
when you grow up to be a big boy you can come for a sail on a real boat !
Mrming, as for Evolution 25's let's see how the boats compare when punching into the weather...
Simondjuk
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Seajet,
Perhaps you missed this re upwind performance.
Incidentally, my wife could take care of everything on our Evo in all conditions without suffering any particular fatigue. She's 5' 2" and weighs in at about 7 1/2 stone. Hardly a winch gorilla.
Perhaps you missed this re upwind performance.
Incidentally, my wife could take care of everything on our Evo in all conditions without suffering any particular fatigue. She's 5' 2" and weighs in at about 7 1/2 stone. Hardly a winch gorilla.
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northwind
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Mine too, the futile arguments against boats he's never sailed is begining to leaving me pretty fatigued though.
And I am of course exhausted from a day sailing my boat with my hairy arsed wife and crew.
JimC
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AngusMcDoon
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And I am of course exhausted from a day sailing my boat with my hairy arsed wife and crew.
That made I laugh
I wonder if an A22 gets better with a gorilla. I imagine it would be so good that the language just doesn't have words to express the level of goodness.
AngusMcDoon
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Angus,
when you grow up to be a big boy you can come for a sail on a real boat !
Mrming, as for Evolution 25's let's see how the boats compare when punching into the weather...
Can I come to this little sail off you are arranging? Trailable boats only, to keep with the thread's original topic.
mrming
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That actually sounds like fun. Trailable boats regatta. Raced on PY numbers.
Rules, you must launch and recover from a slipway. It's a two day event and all your crew must sleep on the boat.
From the various boats that thread contributors own (and Byron's numbers), it looks like it would be a pretty good race:
Dragonfly 920 (763)
Super Seal 26 (987)
Hunter Delta (1016)
Evolution 25 (1007)
Trapper TS240 (1009)
Viva 700 (?)
Beneteau First 235 (979)
Anderson 22 (1063)
Beneteau First 210 (999)
Jeanneau Sun 2000 (1052)
Cape Cutter 19 (?)
Frolic 18 (?)
Can anyone suggest a suitable venue with a slipway and somewhere for us all to tie up / moor?
Rules, you must launch and recover from a slipway. It's a two day event and all your crew must sleep on the boat.
From the various boats that thread contributors own (and Byron's numbers), it looks like it would be a pretty good race:
Dragonfly 920 (763)
Super Seal 26 (987)
Hunter Delta (1016)
Evolution 25 (1007)
Trapper TS240 (1009)
Viva 700 (?)
Beneteau First 235 (979)
Anderson 22 (1063)
Beneteau First 210 (999)
Jeanneau Sun 2000 (1052)
Cape Cutter 19 (?)
Frolic 18 (?)
Can anyone suggest a suitable venue with a slipway and somewhere for us all to tie up / moor?
AngusMcDoon
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I'm not sure if I'm welcome yet or whether I'll be navicula non grata for being on an unreal boat.
Seajet
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Angus,
your boat is fine, it's the unreal planet you're on which concerns me !
Simon, as for a race under PY, please bring it on; for info I've had the misfortune to go below on an Evolution 25 and several other Julian Everitt designs, none of which worried the A22 in any significant weather, despite the stripes...
Mrming for the rally proposed, it may have been tongue in cheek but I reckon it could be a lot of fun; how about Northney marina in Chichester harbour, next season ?
There's a good slipway there and deep water moorings in Sweare Deep close by or anchorage in Emsworth Channel.
Kelpie
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For a bit more fun, the boats must be de-rigged and hitched to a tow vehicle at the start of the race
Seajet
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This rather proves the point, my boat is no way a trailer sailer, far too much hassle to rig and requires a RangeRover; the only time she's ever been towed was to the sailing club for launching.
Even dinghies are a pain to tow and rig, as I rediscovered when towing my Osprey to Falmouth on a holiday; I'd suggest something like a Swift 18 is as much as one would want to trail / sail.
Angus, you're welcome to come and crew my boat if this little race ever happens, you might be pleasantly surprised.
Even dinghies are a pain to tow and rig, as I rediscovered when towing my Osprey to Falmouth on a holiday; I'd suggest something like a Swift 18 is as much as one would want to trail / sail.
Angus, you're welcome to come and crew my boat if this little race ever happens, you might be pleasantly surprised.
JimC
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Then I fail to see why Anderson 22s ever came to be mentioned in a thread titled "Which trailer sailer!"
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