halcyon
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My Halcyon 27 did it with previous owners, carried on to cruise the Caribbean, Azores, Med and back home 2 1/2 year trip, much modified fo trip and might be for sale as well.
Brian
Which sub 37 ft yacht to cross the North Atlantic in?
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My Halcyon 27 did it with previous owners, carried on to cruise the Caribbean, Azores, Med and back home 2 1/2 year trip, much modified fo trip and might be for sale as well.
Brian
Kelpie
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Why no Rivals on that list?
And if you're going to start talking 27ft boats, stick a Vega on the list, loads of them have done it too.
Massive difference obviously when you lose those ten feet though!
And if you're going to start talking 27ft boats, stick a Vega on the list, loads of them have done it too.
Massive difference obviously when you lose those ten feet though!
Tranona
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Go back to pre GRP days and you will find the style of boat represented by that list dominated the ocean cruising market - mainly because most boats built at the time were long keel, attached rudder, and most were also under 35'. Think of Giles designs, Robb lions, Nicholsons, folkboat derivatives etc.
You could add many more designs derived from the older long keel, mostly with long fin and skeg/rudder such as the Rivals and Nic 35 already mentioned.
The choice is potentially huge, hence my original suggestion of looking for a boat based on condition and what is needed to prepare it (bearing in mind the budget) rather than getting hung up about particular models.
You could add many more designs derived from the older long keel, mostly with long fin and skeg/rudder such as the Rivals and Nic 35 already mentioned.
The choice is potentially huge, hence my original suggestion of looking for a boat based on condition and what is needed to prepare it (bearing in mind the budget) rather than getting hung up about particular models.
fredrussell
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My mate has just bought a Halmatic 30. Ticks all the boxes and feels as solid as a brick outhouse. Great accommodation for her size and no slouch upwind either. He paid £15k with a very low hours new engine and an inventory longer than War and Peace. Worth considering.
LadyInBed
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There's a Colvic Countess 37 for sale here.
http://www.ancasta.com/boats-for-sale/colvic-countess-37-30159/
http://www.ancasta.com/boats-for-sale/colvic-countess-37-30159/
sniffyjenkins
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Aaaand a Sparkman and Stephens 34. If the Contessa 32 is on there the S&S 34 should be there too. Faster, prettier (shut up, it's important) and much more room inside...
Speaking of S&S, a baby Swan, i.e. 37. Nothing like 'em: http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1970/Nautor-Swan-37-2742810/Italy
Saguday
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Whatever happened to tumblehome?
Look at that sexy shape...
Look at that sexy shape...
1970 and teak decks. Hmm.
Also one does not have to be a naval architect to spot an undersized skeg hung rudder. A common design oversight at the time as yacht designers groped their way incrementally from long keels to fin & skeg designs.
thecommander
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The paranoia of the North Atlantic has got to him...
He's looking at ketches.
He's looking at junk rigs.
He's looking at ketches.
He's looking at junk rigs.
E39mad
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A tiller steered Victoria 34 has come to market for under £40000. Perhaps should be on the list also.
Concerto
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If he is changing his ideas after sound advice, then he is beyond help.
doug748
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Would not spring to mind immediately for a long upwind trip
So just maybe your friend has a butterfly mind.
Motor_Sailor
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The world's most famous designer produces one of the best handling boats of all time that raced successfully as a One Tonner and then have gone on to remain competitive as club boats as well as cruising extensively including several circumnavigations, and someone on the internet can spot its flaws from a couple of photos.
Apparently after 2300 different designs and several decades after designing keel and skeg boats including thousands of hours spent in the towing tank and writing the most authoritative text book on yacht design, they were apparently still "groping their way incrementally" and making obvious mistakes like undersized rudders. I owned an S&S design numbers 201 before the S&S37 and it handled perfectly. Perhaps Olin Stephens wasn't any good, perhaps he just got lucky. Time after time after time.
sailorman
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Those were the days when a hull was designed to sail & an interior fitted in, unlike today when a sitting room, kitchen, master bedroom with en suite are designed & a slab sided hull made to wrapped around to keep the water out
Motor_Sailor
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That's a very jaundiced view of those days. These boats were built to be nothing but competitive under both the RORC,CCA and early IOR rules in the same way that modern race boats are built to be competitive under the modern rules. It was simply fortuitous that the rule and owners expectations at the time produced long lived boats that made good cruisers. But if you look at some of the dedicated family cruising boats that were produced at about the same time as these race boats, (Morgan Out Island 42 and Catalina 30, etc) you can see that similar compromises were made in the 70s in order to prioritise accommodation and overnight comfort.
It was the very conservative nature of the traditional British cruising man (compounded by the 79 Fastnet disaster) that distorted the type of boat offered to the UK buyer. But not all boats offered worldwide were so 'pure of form'.
You concede the design was contorted to beat a class measurement rule at the time?
Looking back 47 years and with accumulated hindsight it is obvious that the titchy low aspect rudder is a hydrodynamic design disaster.
Yes. We also know that pinched counter sterns are dangerous as they lack downwind stability. Such sterns look great on some gentleman's week-end racer that only ventures out in sheltered waters.
Many 30 foot something Bavarias and Beneteaus have circumnavigated, your claim is meaningless.
I am sure Ford put similar effort into car design and this is what you could buy at the time.
Saguday
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Ah, fins!
Whatever happened to fins on cars?
Whatever happened to fins on cars?
doug748
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Don't encourage them.
When the car metaphors start, I feel like putting my head in the gas oven.
Motor_Sailor
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What tosh. Broad sweeping generalisations about boats of that era are rubbish. You claimed it was obvious that the Swan 37 rudder is too small - well if that's the case produce one bit of firsthand knowledge to support such a criticism. I'm sure some boats of that era were not very good in the same way I'm sure there's good and bad boats today, but to say they they are 'hydrodynamic disasters' that are only 'suitable for sheltered waters' is simply pig ignorant rubbish. S&S designs of that era have clocked up millions of miles of blue water miles including lots of southern ocean excursions. The S&S 34 has been the boat of choice for all sorts of non stop southern circumnavigations and the Swan 65 isn't exactly regarded as a bay sailor. The Contessa 32 is in exactly the same ilk and their owners seem to rate them.
The design of boats has to be considered in the round and on balance, S&S designs of that era make for superb hard sailing, sea worthy boats.
michael_w
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Call those fins?
Isn't this what you mean?
Isn't this what you mean?