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Long keels tend not to have skegs or am i misunderstanding what a long keel is? Am i thinking of a full keel or a long fin maybe? Oh and a Vancouver 34 would be fine.
Which sub 37 ft yacht to cross the North Atlantic in?
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Birdseye
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No doubt you drive a Morris Oxford, heat your house with an open fire, and wear woolen underclothes!!
Assuming you are still around 3 years after your post.Have a look at the design of a Volvo Ocean boat or do you think they are unsafe?
Minchsailor
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I have a Rustler 36, which on previous ownership, has been round the world, so has all the kit.
Stemar
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A little over budget, but an offer could be made
1977 Hans Christian 36, Torrevieja Spain - boats.com
1977 Hans Christian 36, Torrevieja Spain - boats.com
TernVI
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... so has worn out all the kit.
john_morris_uk
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Golly. Talk about optimistic pricing....
Concerto
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It would have to be a low offer. On the same web site is this Vindo that is a better price.
1979 Vindo Vindö 50, Sant Andreu de LLavaneres Spain - boats.com
Fr J Hackett
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Hard to put a price on her but they are very nice boats, you would really have to go over it with a fine tooth comb before making an offer. Decks look a tad worn so it could be a real money pit.
doug748
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Yes, lovely boats those Vindo's I looked at one of the smaller models some years ago, GRP hull and decks topped with with timber. Very difficult to fix or even bodge, their repair though.
That boat has a questionable area forward. I've seen another just like it, looks very much like serious rot - image 11.
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Bajansailor
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That forward end of the cabin does look decidedly dodgy - yet they claim that she has had a 'complete refit' in 2019 & 2020?
john_morris_uk
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I think the phrase is 'has been;'. It's not only the decks that are looking decidedly in need of some major love and attention. She appears to need a huge amount of work to get her back up to speed and if the surface looks like that from the photos, I wonder what's lurking underneath. Hence my golly exclamation. I'd be surprised if they get any viewings let alone offers... There are lots of other tidier and better sorted boats that are equally good sea-boats on offer that are very much cheaper.
ryanroberts
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Dunno if the name if long keel (full is when it deepens at the stern?) but she's not a fin and has a skeg. I assume she's built for that sort of thing (the manual states a couple of modifications for ocean crossings) but the skipper isn't yet.
john_morris_uk
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I’d describe it as long keeled with rudder supported by a skeg. It’s not a common design. Most long keeled boats have their rudders supported on the aft end of the keel as has been pointed out by many people in this thread.Dunno if the name if long keel (full is when it deepens at the stern?) but she's not a fin and has a skeg
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If someone asked me my subjective opinion and someone said it is a long keel, i would agree. If they said she was a full keel i would agree as well. I have never thought of any boat with a fin keel as being anything else other than a long fin. I think i would be wrong to call her a long fin though. I think a Venn diagram is needed for this.Dunno if the name if long keel (full is when it deepens at the stern?) but she's not a fin and has a skeg. I assume she's built for that sort of thing (the manual states a couple of modifications for ocean crossings) but the skipper isn't yet.
TernVI
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That's very nice, but I wonder if that vestigial skeg is actually any stronger than a well designed spade rudder?Dunno if the name if long keel (full is when it deepens at the stern?) but she's not a fin and has a skeg. I assume she's built for that sort of thing (the manual states a couple of modifications for ocean crossings) but the skipper isn't yet.
john_morris_uk
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Don't confuse the issue with facts... The OP's friend is convinced that spade rudders are the work of the devil, therefore there's no arguing. (Personally I think he's been reading too many dramatic accounts without realising that thousands of modern yachts with spade rudders and fin keels sail across oceans every year without incident.).
That and the well designed ones are just as comfortable as the slow old long keeled designs but there's no telling some people.
I've sailed both and I know which sort I've chosen for our ocean adventures. However, each to their own and if that's his decision then who am I to argue.
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ryanroberts
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Dunno, I think it's been on there 46 years. Wasn't really a make or break for me as I don't have enough experience to make those sort of judgements. I looked at fin / spade boats too but fell for that one.
geem
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Can you describe a well designed spade rudder and state which modern production boat actually has one? I have seen numerous spade rudder failures on modern production boats. Most of these are simply premature bearing failure. Not something that will sink the boat but when a rudder needs removing and bearings replacing on a two year old boat, I wouldnt described this as well designed.
TernVI
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You can get bearing failures on skeg or keel hung rudders too. In fact many long keelers seem to be in need of new rudder bearings.
There are a number of problems with spade rudders every year, but then there are tens of thousands of such boats out there.
A skeg is just a little GRP fin, how damage resistant is it really, compared to a stout stainless shaft?
Plus of course the spade rudder is more efficient at turning the boat.
geem
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The advantage of a full skeg is it places an additional bearing at the end of the rudder. This reduces the load on the bearings as it shares the load across more bearings. In a direct impact the skeg provides protection to the rudder. A spade rudder has no protection and can be bent backward at the bearing if the rudder uses a s/s shaft. If the rudder uses a grp shaft it can be sheared off in an impact. An impact at the very tip of a spade rudder can exert huge force on the shaft as you have a turning moment around the lower bearing. The same impact at the tip of a full skeg would have far less impact.
A friend of mine lost his Durfour in the Atlantic a few years ago when his spade rudder was pushed back by an impact to the rudder. They spent two days trying to solve the problem of a rudder stuck hard over and jammed against the hull. They couldnt solve the problem and abandoned the boat.