Rivers & creeks
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I don't know but the stuff they sell in Belgium is completely odourless
Which Cooker? i want to remove gas from my boat!
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Allan
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The smell is not the same but I don't know how close it is chemically.
Allan
Allan
Tranona
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For Taylors cookers go to www.blakes-lavac-taylors.co.uk for full descriptions and specs.
They use Primus burners, run on paraffin (kerosene) and start by pre-heating using either meths or a gas blowtorch. They have a cast iron hob which is good for slow cooking as well as removable plates for fast boiling. Grill is not much good, but you can get wire mesh contraptions for making toast over the top burners. If you go for an oven you can do a lot - I have cooked full roasts for 4 people with mine.
Chandlers often have them on offer at about 15-20% discount on published list, particularly around Boat Show time.
They use Primus burners, run on paraffin (kerosene) and start by pre-heating using either meths or a gas blowtorch. They have a cast iron hob which is good for slow cooking as well as removable plates for fast boiling. Grill is not much good, but you can get wire mesh contraptions for making toast over the top burners. If you go for an oven you can do a lot - I have cooked full roasts for 4 people with mine.
Chandlers often have them on offer at about 15-20% discount on published list, particularly around Boat Show time.
oldgaffer1
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Don't think so, Isopropanol (Isopropyl alcohol) has the chemical formula C3,H8,O. Alcool brulee is ethanol which, like meths, has an additive to make it nasty to drink. It's chemical formula is C2,H6,O. Dunno if they'd burn the same though.
oldgaffer1
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which, like meths, has an additive to make it nasty to drink.
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Not that I have first hand experience you understand! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
which, like meths, has an additive to make it nasty to drink.
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Not that I have first hand experience you understand! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Shuggy
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We have an Origo 6000:
A bit smelly on domestic meths, but we buy industrial meths in bulk in the UK and it doesn't smell much at all. A great oven.
A bit smelly on domestic meths, but we buy industrial meths in bulk in the UK and it doesn't smell much at all. A great oven.
graham
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We have had an Origo 2000 since 1999 it came with the boat so is older than that.
I like the safety aspect of it being non pressurised. A meths fire can be extinguished with water,not that you are likely to have one.
Also like knowing erxactly how much fuel we have. Meths cost about £1.50/ half litre or lessthan half that in France for Alcool A brulee. Wouldnt go back to gas now .
I like the safety aspect of it being non pressurised. A meths fire can be extinguished with water,not that you are likely to have one.
Also like knowing erxactly how much fuel we have. Meths cost about £1.50/ half litre or lessthan half that in France for Alcool A brulee. Wouldnt go back to gas now .
Alfie168
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Me and a mate use Origo 3000s. We like em for their simplicity, their good build quality, ease of use and safety.
The smell is a minor annoyance you get used to. It is a bit slower than gas, and you can't have a grill, but used with skill and guile you can do everything else pretty well.
I used primus stoves many years ago and liked them immensely, but you do need to learn the technique of using them and lighting them without flaring, and there are bound to be significantly higher risks with anything pressurised.
As other have said, gas is best if the system is well maintained, but also carries the risk of accumulation.
Tim
The smell is a minor annoyance you get used to. It is a bit slower than gas, and you can't have a grill, but used with skill and guile you can do everything else pretty well.
I used primus stoves many years ago and liked them immensely, but you do need to learn the technique of using them and lighting them without flaring, and there are bound to be significantly higher risks with anything pressurised.
As other have said, gas is best if the system is well maintained, but also carries the risk of accumulation.
Tim
trouville
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Im sorry to say i also have an Origo two burner,cant say i like it slow not smelly with French alcohol.
Ive been trying pressure alcohol heating but i was creating the pressure by heating the alcohol in a narrow copper pipe just before the burner,that got a very hot pressure flame.
Later i filled up with E85 which is bio alcohol for cars (only turbo charged SAABS etc will run on it untill the alcohol disolves the rubber or diluted the oil and kills the rings the saab can incense the boost to create a 13.2:1 compression)
The heater started then blew up with a very loud explosion.I cant understand it??Alcohol can be very dangerouse.
As charles said in an earlier post a colemans petrol system is the best for cooking results fast and very hot clean flame bit expensive to run by now though
I stopped useing petrol for one reason or another,but i found that when i invited someone on board while i was cooking they would leave the same happened a couple of time in the days of empty berths when the boat next to me saw me filling the stove with petrol they would cast off and move,but then petrol fumes can raint food thats even well wrapped
Ive been trying pressure alcohol heating but i was creating the pressure by heating the alcohol in a narrow copper pipe just before the burner,that got a very hot pressure flame.
Later i filled up with E85 which is bio alcohol for cars (only turbo charged SAABS etc will run on it untill the alcohol disolves the rubber or diluted the oil and kills the rings the saab can incense the boost to create a 13.2:1 compression)
The heater started then blew up with a very loud explosion.I cant understand it??Alcohol can be very dangerouse.
As charles said in an earlier post a colemans petrol system is the best for cooking results fast and very hot clean flame bit expensive to run by now though
I stopped useing petrol for one reason or another,but i found that when i invited someone on board while i was cooking they would leave the same happened a couple of time in the days of empty berths when the boat next to me saw me filling the stove with petrol they would cast off and move,but then petrol fumes can raint food thats even well wrapped
brownsox
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Re: With respects to bilbobaggins....
We've found the Origo 3000 to be superb. Smell is very slight, esp with French alcool a bruler, but meths not too bad either. If you remember to put the little black pads on the burners when it's not in use there's no evaporation or smell then. It's really quick - hardly any noticeable difference from gas. In France the alcohol is available everywhere, and you only need to carry a litre bottle home rather than a great big canister. Storage of same - same advantage. And totally, totally safe, being unpressurised, and no need for vented fireproof lockers etc. We're selling our boat now and the first thing we're doing with the next boat is getting another Origo and trashing the gas.
We've found the Origo 3000 to be superb. Smell is very slight, esp with French alcool a bruler, but meths not too bad either. If you remember to put the little black pads on the burners when it's not in use there's no evaporation or smell then. It's really quick - hardly any noticeable difference from gas. In France the alcohol is available everywhere, and you only need to carry a litre bottle home rather than a great big canister. Storage of same - same advantage. And totally, totally safe, being unpressurised, and no need for vented fireproof lockers etc. We're selling our boat now and the first thing we're doing with the next boat is getting another Origo and trashing the gas.
William_H
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Re: With respects to bilbobaggins....
Look at http://www.whitworths.com.au catalogue stoves.
They have a single burner meths (brand is Maxie) for something just over 100 squid or a 2 burner with grill 280 squid. Oz dollar is about 42 pence but prices quoted include 10% tax which can be deducted. Even if you have to pay VAT it might be a good price.
I don't think you will have any worries about build quality etc.
I have a single burner meths which works fine but I never use it anyway.
good luck olewill
Look at http://www.whitworths.com.au catalogue stoves.
They have a single burner meths (brand is Maxie) for something just over 100 squid or a 2 burner with grill 280 squid. Oz dollar is about 42 pence but prices quoted include 10% tax which can be deducted. Even if you have to pay VAT it might be a good price.
I don't think you will have any worries about build quality etc.
I have a single burner meths which works fine but I never use it anyway.
good luck olewill
purplerobbie
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Has anyone used a diesel cooker?
What are the pros and cons?
Rob
What are the pros and cons?
Rob
freeman
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Re: With respects to bilbobaggins....
I have never used an origo cooker but know two proper sailors who have. one who threw theirs over the side and the other is for sale!
sunbird
I have never used an origo cooker but know two proper sailors who have. one who threw theirs over the side and the other is for sale!
sunbird
ex-Gladys
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Re: With respects to bilbobaggins....
We had an Origo on Amber and loved it. We have a Wallas diesel on Gladys, and if we were to replace it would be an Origo 5000. Have cooked everything(including toast) on the Origo, use Alcool a Brulee in it (meths without the colourant). Cooking speed is great.
The Wallas (£2000 worth) is OK, but requires a very healthy elec supply to fire up (draws a few amps for some minutes, and the electronics require high enough volts not to shut down). A lot of the time to make sure I have to run the engine during starting up to make sure, despite having rewired it with thicker cable on a more direct cable run.
I would never spend that much myself on a boat cooker. However you can get a hob cover for it that turns it into a heater. Only £300...
We had an Origo on Amber and loved it. We have a Wallas diesel on Gladys, and if we were to replace it would be an Origo 5000. Have cooked everything(including toast) on the Origo, use Alcool a Brulee in it (meths without the colourant). Cooking speed is great.
The Wallas (£2000 worth) is OK, but requires a very healthy elec supply to fire up (draws a few amps for some minutes, and the electronics require high enough volts not to shut down). A lot of the time to make sure I have to run the engine during starting up to make sure, despite having rewired it with thicker cable on a more direct cable run.
I would never spend that much myself on a boat cooker. However you can get a hob cover for it that turns it into a heater. Only £300...
Abigail
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Re: deisel cookers
We had a deisel cooker (Wallas), both oven and hob for 4 years, having been seduced by the gas-free ambition, and also releasing a big deck locker. We didn't (and don't) wnat a meths/paraffin cooker tho we know people who love them.
Any way -
pros: lovely oven for cooking, good temperature, very even, excellent for roasting and baking. Very well built, and solid. Uses deisel off same tank as the engine hence reducing risks and space.
cons: v expensive! Also too complicated for an ocean-going yacht. it should have been a warning that the main UK dealers specialise in inland waterway barges. They (the cookers) rely on some complex electronics which are pretty sensitive beings. We may have got a friday machine but had an absolute catalogue of problems. What makes it worse is that the service network is very thin, not only in this country but points south. So it can be difficult and expensive to get spare parts. (Having said that when we broke the ceramic hob with an oil bottle falling out of a locker on an unexpected wave off lisbon, they shipped the part with v good english instructions from Finland.)
So - this autumn we sold it (for less than 10% of the purchase price) and were glad to see the back of it. Fab on a canal boat, no good for a yacht.
We had a deisel cooker (Wallas), both oven and hob for 4 years, having been seduced by the gas-free ambition, and also releasing a big deck locker. We didn't (and don't) wnat a meths/paraffin cooker tho we know people who love them.
Any way -
pros: lovely oven for cooking, good temperature, very even, excellent for roasting and baking. Very well built, and solid. Uses deisel off same tank as the engine hence reducing risks and space.
cons: v expensive! Also too complicated for an ocean-going yacht. it should have been a warning that the main UK dealers specialise in inland waterway barges. They (the cookers) rely on some complex electronics which are pretty sensitive beings. We may have got a friday machine but had an absolute catalogue of problems. What makes it worse is that the service network is very thin, not only in this country but points south. So it can be difficult and expensive to get spare parts. (Having said that when we broke the ceramic hob with an oil bottle falling out of a locker on an unexpected wave off lisbon, they shipped the part with v good english instructions from Finland.)
So - this autumn we sold it (for less than 10% of the purchase price) and were glad to see the back of it. Fab on a canal boat, no good for a yacht.
purplerobbie
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Re: deisel cookers
Do they all have to be vented through the deck?
What did you replace it with?
Rob
Do they all have to be vented through the deck?
What did you replace it with?
Rob
ferroboat
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We have a Origo 6000 and are very pleased with it . Any one know were to buy Alcool Brulee or Industrial Meths?
graham
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I dont think Alcol Brulee is available in UK.I get it in Carrefour Supermarket in Cherbourg .PS time it right there may be some forum people there as well /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
