Hardmy
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I agree, for me as well, the SL72' would definitively be the boat of my dreams!
Which 42-50ft Flybridge ?/ Which Engine options? (£150 - £200k)
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rafiki_
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Doesn't normally stop you Mike ?
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Going soft in my old age!
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Nick_H
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I've been happy with our D12s over 10 years we've had them, and engineers always tell me they're a fairly bullet proof engine. Any problems have been with ancilliary items; exhaust elbows, water pump etc and none have been big bills so far.
Our Princess is 57 feet, 26 tonnes dry, and tops out at 30 kts, so a Phantom 50 with D12's should be a fast boat.
Portofino
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Here you are
Lots of kit --- 7 beds , tender up ,lovely jubby MAN,s low stressed = go on for ever
But importantly --- some other 8ugger done a lot of recent revision work .
IMHO a better proposition than a knackered "phantom " something or other ?
highly regarded Yard .
http://en.yacht4web.com/Dalla-Pieta-Yachts/52-asterion/64410/brochure?k=adv
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Nice boat indeed with a diligent owner. Never seen a boat with the galley in that position before ie aft down from the saloon on port side?
BartW
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+1, isn't that the DP that MapisM had been looking at ?
anyway I like this boat, and most of the interior looks very nice.
Hurricane
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Not specifically thread drift but I am "picking up" on two points in the OP.
Location - the Med
and
The Dog
Also picking up on PeteM's comment about the cost of berthing in the Balearics
Have a look at Sant Carles.
You can take the car down (most of the way) by ferry.
That means the dog can be involved - and on the boat in the Med.
Lots of people do it.
Sant Carles is easy to get to by air for later when the dog passes on.
And the best bit is that Sant Carles is the cheapest place to keep a boat - literally a fraction of the cost of the Balearics.
If you were to pay £25k in Mallorca - that would translate to about 5k in Sant Carles.
Great British social community as well - the marina is more like a holiday resort than a marina.
All accessible by car so the dog can enjoy it as well.
And if you fancy the Balearics, they are only 100 miles away by boat - thats 4 hours at 25 knots.
IMO - definitely the most cost effective way into the Med.
Location - the Med
and
The Dog
Also picking up on PeteM's comment about the cost of berthing in the Balearics
Have a look at Sant Carles.
You can take the car down (most of the way) by ferry.
That means the dog can be involved - and on the boat in the Med.
Lots of people do it.
Sant Carles is easy to get to by air for later when the dog passes on.
And the best bit is that Sant Carles is the cheapest place to keep a boat - literally a fraction of the cost of the Balearics.
If you were to pay £25k in Mallorca - that would translate to about 5k in Sant Carles.
Great British social community as well - the marina is more like a holiday resort than a marina.
All accessible by car so the dog can enjoy it as well.
And if you fancy the Balearics, they are only 100 miles away by boat - thats 4 hours at 25 knots.
IMO - definitely the most cost effective way into the Med.
MapisM
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Wow, that's a connoisseur statement. Did you ever come across a DP boat, Porto?
I'm asking because the yard indeed built some top quality stuff (up there with Riva, in more ways than one - no kidding!), but they never managed to gain the recognition they deserved outside their courtyard market, in the N Adriatic.
The one in your link looks nice, and btw that's built on a hull which was probably their best ever.
It was so good on the 52, that it was further developed in the 55/56/59 f/b models, and also in the 58HT - all fantastic seaboats.
Btw, I'd strongly suggest you to have a look at the latter, if you would ever wish to go up in size but still stick to a sporty boat. I'm not saying that she could easily outrun a similar size Itama in the rough stuff, but if I had to bet on the outcome, I'd be in doubt.
Suffice to mention that in the early 90s, the 52 which you linked in your ad took part in the Venice - Montecarlo in the stock boat class, averaging 32+ knots over some 1300NM, go figure...!
MapisM
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Nope, but very similar.
I considered both a 55 and a 56 (see previous post).
Long story...
Portofino
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I,ve been beating Italians build the best boats drum ,subtley and plainly for a while .In particular the hey days of the 90 's
But I feel nobodies listening .
It's a leap of faith abandoning our big 3 ( formally 4 ) esp if based in the Med .I did it ,can't see me going back .
No I have not actually been on a DP ,but "dock-walking " along with Mr Google , it's obvious they are well screwed together .A 58 HT would dovetail in nicely into my next move ,if we feel ( we don,t ) the need for a bigger boat .
But as you say there's a huge choice and number of Itama ,all "opens " in that 50-60 ft segment .
Riva rep - v disappointed with a recent new 30 hrs - demo - 52 Rivale sea trial , slammed and rattled about in a flat ( by my standards ) sea .Allthough something like a 51 Turborossa with MAN 820 ,s I bet lives up the Riva reputation .
So Allthough they may be well screwed together the curent (Ferretti inspired ) hulls are a no no for us .
It's a long while since Carlo Riva died and Mario Amarti passed away - just last year .Buts is over a decade ago since each brand was corporatised so to speak .
Without owner occupiers ,the "old man " poking his nose into evey corner ,every day of the yard -and interfering with the initial designs - cos 40 years experiance he knows best ,no degree here .
- its all down hill as bean counters take over .
Same happened when Ferretti Bros ended control .
Watch Sunseeker as soon as the Braithwaite bros pack it in --- Completly I mean --- - then what --sea keeping wise - ??
But the worlds a changing the days of owner / occupiers / boss are behind us .
Rant over
MapisM
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Yep, I remember your comments on the Rivale.
In fact, my previous comparison between Riva and DP was mostly referred to general build quality and attention to detail, rather than sea keeping.
After all, if we are honest, even the famous Aquarama of old wasn't exactly the most seaworthy hull on earth - Levi boats of similar vintage were much better in this respect, for instance...
PS: ref "nobody's listening", I don't think that many folks around here disagree with your "drum beating".
Probably it's more a case of tacit consent, particularly from some PrinSunFair fanboys...
In fact, my previous comparison between Riva and DP was mostly referred to general build quality and attention to detail, rather than sea keeping.
After all, if we are honest, even the famous Aquarama of old wasn't exactly the most seaworthy hull on earth - Levi boats of similar vintage were much better in this respect, for instance...
PS: ref "nobody's listening", I don't think that many folks around here disagree with your "drum beating".
Probably it's more a case of tacit consent, particularly from some PrinSunFair fanboys...
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petem
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I know you like these corrections P
, "backyard market" would be better EN but even that's a bit US. "home market" would be EN.
MapisM
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Point taken ref "back" vs. "court", but I always assumed that home meant the whole Country market, as opposed to foreign market(s).
And in this context, even if surely DP was better known in IT than abroad, actually they were mostly known and appreciated in the NE area of IT...
Otoh, if you tell me that home doesn't necessarily refer to the whole Country where a company is based, I take your word for it! :encouragement:
And in this context, even if surely DP was better known in IT than abroad, actually they were mostly known and appreciated in the NE area of IT...
Otoh, if you tell me that home doesn't necessarily refer to the whole Country where a company is based, I take your word for it! :encouragement:
Portofino
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"courtyard " in my mind painted a picture of the Venetian lagoon ( where I believe the yard is ? ) and in grander context ,
Knowing Italy and its position in the Med I took "courtyard " to have been actually a clever thought out description ,which was further qualified by "N Adriatic "
Backyard ,or homeland will do ,but in DP case "courtyard " to me sounded right .
Not sure the Venetians who have been building fine boats for 1000,s of years will appreciate "back yard " .
More like front of house
AIMHO
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MapisM
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Yup, indeed. The yard was one of the most Venetian of the Venetians.
Located along the lagoon mainland coast, but right in front of Venice.
Re. the semantic debate, I'll go fetch some popcorn...
petem
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Indeed MapisM, 'home market' does indeed mean whole country. So if you meant something even more local then 'home' is not the right word.
petem
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Indeed!
DazzyWoo
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Thanks for the replies - and PMs. Not been around much as have been decluttering, painting, mowing, etc.
Long story short; I think an Azimut 46 in Sant Carles would pretty much tick all the boxes for us. It probably wont be something we do this year tbh - but will spend this year looking for AZ46s to have a nose round, and try to book a long weekend near Sant Carles to have a nose.
Cheers DW
Long story short; I think an Azimut 46 in Sant Carles would pretty much tick all the boxes for us. It probably wont be something we do this year tbh - but will spend this year looking for AZ46s to have a nose round, and try to book a long weekend near Sant Carles to have a nose.
Cheers DW
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