Where have all the good women gone?

[sailaboutvic]

No it was not meant to be nasty. It was really a dig at those who claimed to have been hard done by due to comments on the forum. Many of those comments having no malice in them whatsoever. However, the PCbrigade has produced a section of people who put their hands up and scream "hurt" at just about any thing that is said even if it is not pointed in their direction
getting very "lounge" here , sorry!

Is it worth taken the bait ?
Na too chilled out enjoying the sun and a cool beer to reply .
Daydreaming of one day sitting behind a PC day in and night writing crap

People wonder why there no women here or why some leave ,
you just got to read both posting you wrote .
It's becomes very clear .

Karen help me out and give him a kiss and cuddle, the poor man need of some loving.

 

[sailorman]

I really think people take these forums far too seriously. Clearly there is a section of "snowflakes", for want of a better word, you know the type- " i have been on here for x yaers and was victim of ridicule because i spelt a word wrong."
well man ( or girl) up and stop grisling. Learn to take a joke
then there are those that cannot take criticism of their idea or way of doing things. Well so what?
If you think you are right then say so and argue your point
. Do not just whine and say you will leave the forum. If you do, ask yourself- who is the loser, you or them. This forum can yield a wealth of information. Not to have access to it is your loss not the loss of those who use it or give it freely..
if you do not like what someone is saying then put your oar in and state your side otherwise stop posting and pick a more interesting thread.
if you do not like the subjects in the lounge thenleave it. If you feel strongly about such subjects then why not post on it.
just treat it like banter in a pub after 3 or 4 pints. You can run the country that way --better than any prime minister
finally if you have a problem such as dyslepsia then do not feel so sad about yourself that you have to post the fact to 10k people on a b..y forum. Shut up about it and get on with life. I suffer from migraine but i think to myself if god decided that migraine was all i had to worry about then he has not actually dealt me a bad hand. It is a lot better than spending my life dribbling in a wheelchair"
dam !!! Should not have posted that, Now people are going to take the p..ss out of my migraine:ambivalence:

:encouragement:

 

[Daydream believer]

Is it worth taken the bait ?
Na too chilled out enjoying the sun and a cool beer to reply .
Daydreaming of one day sitting behind a PC day in and night writing crap

People wonder why there no women here or why some leave ,
you just got to read both posting you wrote .
It's becomes very clear .

Karen help me out and give him a kiss and cuddle, the poor man need of some loving.

You are just jealous because you are working to pay my state pension and i am currently sitting in my boat in the sun in Ostend.

 

[Zing]

Sounds like there's a good overlap of agreement here, which is good; but can I ask you what exactly you mean by the "feminist narrative"? And is there a male corollary?

The backbone of the feminist narrative is whenever there is a measurable difference between men and women to be seen it is something to be railed against and to be put right until as a minimum equality is obtained. So, that's why I referred to it in the context of your thread. You've surely seen that theme played out so many times before. I can't think of a male corollary and I don't really know what you mean.

 

[sailaboutvic]

You are just jealous because you are working to pay my state pension and i am currently sitting in my boat in the sun in Ostend.

Sad , so so sad
Wally comes to mind .

 

[JumbleDuck]

The backbone of the feminist narrative is whenever there is a measurable difference between men and women to be seen it is something to be railed against and to be put right until as a minimum equality is obtained.

Where can I find that written down? It seems more like the usual whine of men angry at losing their privilege and forced to compete on their merits.

 

[Zing]

Where can I find that written down? It seems more like the usual whine of men angry at losing their privilege and forced to compete on their merits.

Plenty of books out there to educate you in this area. May I suggest you start with this one:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Feminist-F...0926&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Feminist+Fourth+Wave

Only 3 are left in stock, so you'd better be quick.

Actually, I think you will find that modern feminism is not about competing on merits, and if it were I would have no issue, rather it is about women not having to compete on their merits, and being advanced simply by being female.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Actually, I think you will find that modern feminism is not about competing on merits, and if it were I would have no issue, rather it is about women not having to compete on their merits, and being advanced simply by being female.

I am a feminist. I work with many feminists in an extremely liberal organisation. I have never, ever heard that point of view advanced by anyone claiming to be a feminist. I don't for an instant belief that the book you suggest advances it either.

 

[john_morris_uk]

Where can I find that written down? It seems more like the usual whine of men angry at losing their privilege and forced to compete on their merits.

Plenty of books out there to educate you in this area. May I suggest you start with this one:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Feminist-F...0926&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Feminist+Fourth+Wave

Only 3 are left in stock, so you'd better be quick.

Actually, I think you will find that modern feminism is not about competing on merits, and if it were I would have no issue, rather it is about women not having to compete on their merits, and being advanced simply by being female.

I’m tempted to ask whether you’ve actually read the book you refer to but I suspect I already know the answer.

And people wonder why this place is seen as antagonistic to women.

Your attitude would be humorous if it wasn’t so inaccurate and sad. There are lots of mature men who find the idea of competing EQUALLY with women extremely threatening. No favours or rights, just EQUAL opportunities on merit and ability alone. It appears (unsurprisingly considering the demographics of this place) that lots of people on these forums are part of that group.

Rearrange “clue, a, got haven't’ into a well know phrase or saying....

 

[shan]

Plenty of books out there to educate you in this area. May I suggest you start with this one:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Feminist-F...0926&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Feminist+Fourth+Wave

Only 3 are left in stock, so you'd better be quick.

Actually, I think you will find that modern feminism is not about competing on merits, and if it were I would have no issue, rather it is about women not having to compete on their merits, and being advanced simply by being female.

...and there we have it again... you simply open your mouth to change feet.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Your attitude would be humorous if it wasn’t so inaccurate and sad. There are lots of mature men who find the idea of competing EQUALLY with women extremely threatening. No favours or rights, just EQUAL opportunities on merit and ability alone. It appears (unsurprisingly considering the demographics of this place) that lots of people on these forums are part of that group.

Preach it, brother.

 

[Zing]

I am a feminist. I work with many feminists in an extremely liberal organisation. I have never, ever heard that point of view advanced by anyone claiming to be a feminist. I don't for an instant belief that the book you suggest advances it either.

I expect you actually will have heard feminists arguing to promote female advancement. It’s otherwise known as positive discrimination or affirmative action.


I can’t understand why you are not keen to read the book I linked to. It will be relevant and doubtlessly enjoyable to a feminist such as yourself. You must surely need to keep pace with modern feminist thought in your liberal organisation. You don’t want to be dismissed for not having the right politics. That wouldn’t do.

 

[Zing]

And people wonder why this place is seen as antagonistic to women.

(Deleted a misleading straw man argument)

Rearrange “clue, a, got haven't’ into a well know phrase or saying....

You are critical of my waspish posts, yet you can’t help yourself doing just what you dislike. Please live by the words you preach.

 

[john_morris_uk]

You are critical of my waspish posts, yet you can’t help yourself doing just what you dislike. Please live by the words you preach.

If you find my criticism with intended humour difficult, I’m not going to die in a ditch worrying about it.

Nothing straw man about my argument you deleted. I suspect it was uncomfortably close to the truth.

 

[JumbleDuck]

I expect you actually will have heard feminists arguing to promote female advancement. It’s otherwise known as positive discrimination or affirmative action.

Positive discrimination, such as men have benefited from for centuries, is nothing whatsoever to do with levelling the playing field, and normally only appears in the complaints of someone who can't believe that he could possibly have lost out on an appointment or a promotion to a woman on merit.

 

[dom]

So, you opened with a snide little dig:

Or maybe you are more interested in the feminist narrative, which often says men and women must be forced into equality wherever inequality is seen. Good luck to you if that is your goal. Positive discrimination can’t work here.

All of us misspeak sometimes and others have clarified that they were attempting an iffy joke, which by their own admission didn't translate that well on the internet.

But on you dug:

The backbone of the feminist narrative is whenever there is a measurable difference between men and women to be seen it is something to be railed against and to be put right until as a minimum equality is obtained. So, that's why I referred to it in the context of your thread. You've surely seen that theme played out so many times before. I can't think of a male corollary and I don't really know what you mean.

It seems we don't have a statistical minority of people in your camp, we have one, singular, solitary poster who believes this stuff.

And to save the asking, I'm no feminist; I work in the City where we belatedly got our act together and tried to cut out unacceptable behaviour. Nobody is a saint, but 99% say sorry and produce a bottle of Champagne and a bunch of flowers when bang to rights.

Fair is fair.

 

[Topcat47]

Where's Fred Drift when you need him? Oh here all there while.

I'll get my hat.

 

[PeteCooper]

I have no figures to support this but I think that as many good men have left the forum as have women - possibly more.

 

[DJE]

I wish Tome was still here. Then there would be at least one woman at the weekends!

 

[Zing]

If you find my criticism with intended humour difficult, I’m not going to die in a ditch worrying about it.

Nothing straw man about my argument you deleted. I suspect it was uncomfortably close to the truth.

I had no problem with your criticism, ill founded though it was, or your humour, just with the hypocrisy.

The deleted argument was a portrayal of hypothetical men having certain views, which happens to be a view that does not represents my view, yet it was made by you in a context that made it appear to be my view point. That would be likely to mislead and you thought it goes uncomfortably close to the truth. It doesn't, it goes nowhere near the truth.

By the way, I think this discussion should really be in the lounge. There are a lot of sailors here that only want to discuss saily stuff and this subject isn't saily at all.