What about the old relics and boating about in muck?

Cliveshep

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These Forums seem to be mostly posted by some very professional (and often well-off) skippers, many of whom possess big or expensive boats, and some of the technical Q @ A's are remarkable and informative. There seems to be a sector of the boating fraternity ill-represented however, meaning the old relics (not necessarily the skippers) and their antics boating about in muck rather than the more exotic reverse, i.e. mucking about in boats! I do not mean owners of classic boats. For example, anyone who still has, say, a CB Boats of Tollsbury's CB15 may have an old boat but it's hardly a classic, just small and old! Just an example!

This sector might own a Dolphin 24, (assuming the ply hasn't rotted) or a Nomad, a Norman or a Nauticas, or something else, probably under 24 ft, which may be powered by an outboard. Possibly they would have a Seamaster Cub or 23, or a Mark 1 or 2 Freeman. There are loads of these older (cheaper) boats still around, still in constant use, very often off the beaten track, i.e. up the adjoining waterways to the Thames or above Osney, and enjoying their boats every bit as much as those with more expensive craft. Without Marina or Boatyard help, which they can't afford anyway, they keep these boats afloat and often in pristine condition Some of these chaps have done epic journeys around the country, sometimes trailering their boats to different systems. There just doesn't seem to be much input from them on the Forum, and I confess that with our much loved old tub we probably have more in common with them than we do with the lucky Sealine/Ocean/expensive other owners here.

Question YBW - assuming we "older relics" ARE welcome here, (we probably do forget to wipe our feet) what about a Forum for ditch-crawlers (which will probably have loads of NB's on it, that's the price one pays!) who own and run the smaller or older boats on the smaller budget?
 
I thought this forum was for ALL, and has proved to be so, just a cursory search of posts on a wide variety of subjects will reveal how broad a church this forum attracts.
Nobody should feel in some way different (as in classic or similar definitons) here because their boat is small or old, it is a boat and that is what this forum is all about, at least IMHO.
 
Don't worry there's still plenty of us about. I no longer lay my own moorings coz I live so far from the boat but my roots & heart are still with the Seawych/ Prelude/ Caprice sailors etc. And there are several prominent contributors (including some of the VERY knowledgeable) on these Fora.
 
Hi, I read this forum every day and anything that may help me in my renovation is copied and pasted into a word doc for later reference. It's nice to read what the "experienced" have to say on a wide range of subjects even though a lot of it is way beyond me and my little old boat. Keep it coming. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
JMH
 
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These Forums seem to be mostly posted by some very professional (and often well-off) skippers, many of whom possess big or expensive boats, and some of the technical Q @ A's are remarkable and informative. There seems to be a sector of the boating fraternity ill-represented however, meaning the old relics (not necessarily the skippers) and their antics boating about in muck rather than the more exotic reverse, i.e. mucking about in boats! quote]






I have my own theory on this (based actually on being an ex Seawycher and now a Leisure 23 owner). Honourable as your thoughts are, I don't think the category of boat owners you mention are ill-represented, I believe they need to ask fewer questions.

The investment in a smaller boat is much, much less, the running costs are disproportionally far less as well. You havn't got to worry about anodes, saildrives or prop shafts. Antifouling is a relatively cheap doddle (if messy) as you beach your Seawych on the D-Day ramps at Hardway, scrub off and whack on a years supply of AF between high tides. Your o/b engine is quite simple, just run a bit of clean water through. At the end of the season empty the carb of petrol to stop it gelling and that is your Winterization programme completed. Don't worry too much about it coming out in winter, the thick GRP hulls won't tolerate osmosis and you save an absolute fortune on cranage and storage. I just think bigger boats are more complex and require more questions.

Good you raised the point Cliveshep - interesting to see other views /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Hi Clive
Sadly in the Solent area mooring costs have marginalised the smaller older boats. We are lucky and have a superb club mooring and pay club and not commercial rates. Many moons ago we laid our own mooring in Southampton Water and paid a few quid a year to the Harbour Board for a licence. Most of the people we knew were the sort you are talking about. Luckily they still exist in the upper reaches such as Eling and other parts. Not all change is progress.
 
Between this and the Mobo forum when applicable I think this sector is well supported. I have 30yr old 16' sailboat and my brother in law has 5m o/b powered mobo and I have never failed to get get help when needed or find similar owners to chat to.

It isn't always obvious who is who but they are here.
 
I disagree clive, I find these forums are populated by at least as many people who own less expensive boats, and who aren't that well off. That's why I come here, as I cant afford to pay someone a zillion pounds to change my oil filter. A lot of the knowledgeable people who post advice here own smaller/cheaper boats, and those who dont have usually worked there way up through the boat sizes to what they own now, and are probably more welcoming to the small boat owner than the skipper who bought himself a brand new Najad on a whim.
 
As a founder member of the Mucky Old Boat Owners Asscn ( 'Moboa's') I to some extent agree. But the beauty of these forums (forae?) is that you can post without being scorned as a Moboa because owners of super duper modern AWBs with six+ figure price tags dont actually realise who they are mixing with here, at least until you master the mysteries of posting pictures and start competing with Lakesailor, when the awful truth may accidentally be revealed!

I never have, never will, own a new boat - only once ever owned a brand new tender (what a disaster that was!)

I actually find anyway that my Classic yacht - er - MOB is usually accepted quite happily by others on the visitors moorings - as long as I put nice clean fenders out, dont pick my nose, and wash my socks at least once a month. After all, rot spoors dont affect GRP. Quite often nostalgia overrules any snobbish tendencies in the neighbours - particularly amongst the older middle aged owners who probably started off on something similar, and for whom fading memories of misspent youth and cash have mellowed to the point of forgetting some of the more evil aspects of living with a plywood boat and MOBOA membership. Younger owners also can be jolted into reminiscing about 'Dads old Boat' or even as happened to me recently 'Grandads old boat'. That did make me feel my years.....

And Capt Courageous, real Moboa's would never think (afford?) to use overpriced marinas of the Solent. Up Chichester/ Langstone way there are still reasonably priced moorings to be had if you ferret around for long enough, and are not too choosy. Mine costs me just £150 a year for my 26 footer, and I know where I could go cheaper if I was even more broke.

But the Interenet is a great leveller, and I think there is certainly no problem for Moboa's using these forums - theres enough of us around to crowd out anyone who thinks we shouldnt be here!

Anyway theres enough of us around to gang up and blockade CYB or Port Solent for a few hours to make our point if we need to!
 
Well, I think I stand corrected then but I don't mind that. I'm glad there are still peasants out there skulking in the undergrowth and hiding among the landed gentry. I'm not by any means saying that the "landed gentry" aren't helpful, because in my very short experience here they are and God Bless 'em for that.

I'd still like to see a Forum just for the peasants tho', with tales of derring do with hammer nails & gaffer tape and forcing one's way through trees above Lechlade (did that with a tree saw last year!) or boating where no man has been before (or at least not for a few years).

Just for the record and apropos of nothing in particular, my beloved was away for 3 weeks over Xmas & the New Year looking after/visiting sick Mum in the Far East. I and the kids missed her badly, it was a hard holiday time for us. All you guys who took an interest in my various posts about fuel consumption, what boats to replace our current tub with etc. kept the hope of a cruising Summer alive and me sane when the current time was pretty bleak! Thanks guys.
 
yes lets have a "coarse yachting forum" a la Des Sleighthome
Your boat value is less than it would cost to winter it at the boatyard, you visit the chandlery once a year to buy antifouling, you wear turned down wellingtons and woolly cap splotched with antifouling and the ars**e of your trousers is always wet
 
Have a look at the profiles! and signatures, those of us of who have a longer memory than some, may well be of similar origin.....now the kinder have left home we have more to spend on the important things in life!
 
Quite a good idea; it may well be that some of us go down the way of MAB by choice, or possibly because we are cheap jacks(or Yorkshiremen). By sheer chance I met the original purchaser of my boat from SIBS - a Caprice (purchased by me on Ebay), a retired master of one of our ferries - and he finished much higher in the company - he had sailed that boat extensively for 14 years and he is still sailing a really MAB - a man after my own heart - for him it's sailing, not possessing. There is pleasure to be had in working on one's boat and getting a bargain or a cheap solution consonant with safety.
 
I'm an old relic, and I boat round in muck on the East Coast. In fact, I was on the boat this weekend. We had a very sleepless Saturday night being tossed around on the gale-swept briney, and that was while we were tied up in the marina! I couldn't believe how much a boat could move whilst tied down with four ropes! The boat spends the main season on a swinging mooring, and the winter either out of the water, or - this year - in the marina.
 
Enough of this. Does anybody know where I can get a smart new steward for my yacht? On a recent trip to Cannes our former steward (surnamed Turner) had to be used as an anchor chum and he then ran off with the cook. Such a bore.
 
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