We’re buying a new boat !!

[Portofino]

Aaaaargh, noooo!
Between two hulls of identical size, if one needs more powerful stabilizers it's because its inherent stability is HIGHER, not lower!
Is this so hard to understand?

What I see at anchorages and suspect everyone else .

Surely bigger size exerts more force , otherwise why not fit a 4or 5 assuming 6 is the medium, middle ground .
@ H , it’s a complementary twist the 9 comment and good of Princess esp if Mapish M is right .

@ Mapish top heavy boats rock and pitch more .Wether that extra roll is comfortable or dismissed as longer / shorter or what ever roll period they still keep going after a passing wake noticeably longer than a ahem more lower centred of G boat like mine .
Seen it with my own eyes .
Indeed a masted yacht despite a keel advantage carry’s on rocking too and throw even longer .Pendulum effect I guess ?
Comparable lengths of vessels for valid comparisons .

Using the mk1 eye ball they ( top heavy boats + masted yachts ) carry on moving longer time wise and further in terms of distance or put another way stuff slides about off tables , the folks reach for handles and grab table contents etc .


If it’s being specced anyhow and works then great .
Just curious why the difference between close rivals .It stands out and i was interested in the rationale .

I suspect two overlaying things going off added together which need to be separated .
1- the straight 24K Kgs dry or 30 K kg operational mass which seakeeper crunch into there size calc algorithm
2- the pendulum effect ……how much % of that 24-30 K kgs is higher above the CoG / center of buoyancy or what ever .

You can’t just coin the phase continue to build Manhattan like boats on water , aim skywards without unwanted consequences or claim they are “ more stable “

If seakeepers facilities matching the product line ups to boat makers like this , so be it .

 

[henryf]

Thank you for sharing your visit.
Are lifejackets mandatory just seems little unusual.

We went on an F55 which was on their pontoon so we had life jackets on. We were also issued with steel toe cap trainers as well. We felt very safe.

 

[MapisM]

I think with the X95, the people they listened to were their customers, given how many of it they have sold.

Have they? Not that I don't trust you, mind.
In the segment of oversized 24m boats (i.e., as much larger as building tricks allows to still fit within the 24m rule), the market went ballistic lately.
For instance, if you want to buy a Riva 90 or 100 (both formally 24m LLL, as well as the X95 is), you must join an orderly queue for 2 years minimum.
So, I can see why Prin managed to sell also some X95...
But if given a choice with no restrictions, which would YOU rather pick among these boats (or any others in this segment)?

BTW, I'm saying this as someone who owned for 17 years a timber trawler whose strongest point pretty sure wasn't the external look.
But there's a limit to how much I could stand people pointing at my boat and laughing, after having spent several millions... ?

 

[Hurricane]

I didn’t realise it at the time but one of the first people I saw in the Princess car park was an unassuming looking chap called David King. He is one of the original founders of Princess when they built boats from a little shed across the estuary from Newport Street. He is still very much involved in product development and approaches things from the same direction he did with the original Project 31 in 1965. The boat has to work as a boat before it does anything else. They still build life sized mock-ups to check usability rather than rely on CAD renderings. Other builders listen to the stylists and designers or the bean counters.

Maybe you missed this video on Princess.
The Princess Experience videos - posted on this forum a few months ago.
I edited them down from, literally, days of footage - just picked out the interesting bits.
Just 38 mins now so more watchable.

 

[jrudge]

Porto.

You might want to delete your last post.

You might notice that only the Itama is having its lunch thrown everywhere whilst no other boats seem to be moving much !

 

[Portofino]

He’s beam on in a bad spot that’s for sure . Getting it after your stabbed boat .The presumably wake from far out rolling in will get to the others in due course .
Looks odd that one , not just the side screens .

 

[henryf]

Which one in the photo is Flubba?

We weren’t allowed phones in the flubber farm.

 

[henryf]

Yep, I think they’ve sold a dozen or so from memory.

 

[colhel]

Okay, whats a flubber?

 

[Bajansailor]

Re the poor Itama in the video above, a cheaper alternative to having a gyro stabiliser in this instance could have been to simply tie a stern line to the anchor chain and haul in on the stern line, such that the boat is then facing into the swell (?)

And +1 re Colhel's question re flubbers.

 

[MapisM]

Yep, I think they’ve sold a dozen or so from memory.

If that was meant as a reply to my previous "Have they?" question to ari, well, congratulations to both Princess and Pininfarina!
Then again, the other part of my question still stands: what would you prefer to look at, while walking along the dock to reach your brand new 30m pride and joy, an X95 or a Riva Corsaro?

 

[stelican]

Yep, I think they’ve sold a dozen or so from memory.

Princess owners moving up through the range?

 

[Portofino]

If that was meant as a reply to my previous "Have they?" question to ari, well, congratulations to both Princess and Pininfarina!
Then again, the other part of my question still stands: what would you prefer to look at, while walking along the dock to reach your brand new 30m pride and joy, an X95 or a Riva Corsaro?

In another life during the 70 s did you attempt to sell Lancias and Afla s in the U.K. ?
Prise them away from BL Allegros and Princess.

Its a differnt Brit stiff upper lip demo demograph Solent boating .

As is Scandinavian boating they like there own no matter what .

But then again as is the Italian boat scene.Except Italians have a massive choices.

 

[jrudge]

Well my family traded Alfa, leyland and about a dozen other brands. Paid the school fees !

 

[henryf]

Maybe you missed this video on Princess.
The Princess Experience videos - posted on this forum a few months ago.
I edited them down from, literally, days of footage - just picked out the interesting bits.
Just 38 mins now so more watchable.

Brilliant. I recognised quite a few areas from my tour. Didn’t see the furniture or metal shop but a lot of the other areas.

At first it’s a bit daunting, you panic a bit worrying how everything is going to come together. It seems chaotic, temporary safery rails, stairways, hatch covers and so on but the people do it every day and have a well rehearsed process. As each stage is completed you have something closer resembling the finished item. At one stage the electrical circuits come alive and the boat wakes up for the firs time, then at the end it’s just soft furnishings and other niceties.

Ultimately you just need to relax and have faith. This isn’t their first rodeo !

What you do appreciate is the work involved when someone wants a change making. The mould will have been created with recesses designed to take certain components for instance like an air conditioning unit. The wiring looms created specifically to accommodate loads and locations of key components. This can’t be done as easily in retrofit. Some stuff can be done easily but you need to choose your battles.

Anyway thanks for posting the video, I hadn’t seen it.

 

[henryf]

Re the poor Itama in the video above, a cheaper alternative to having a gyro stabiliser in this instance could have been to simply tie a stern line to the anchor chain and haul in on the stern line, such that the boat is then facing into the swell (?)

And +1 re Colhel's question re flubbers.

Do you lot not have Google?

Were you not allowed to watch films at Christmas

It was a Robin Williams film from the mid 2000’s where he invented this rubber type stuff that had limitless energy in a Nutty Professor type style. Got into a load of bother but it all worked out good in the end Disney style

 

[benjenbav]

Just as a completist, I feel obliged to say that flubber was a secret invention of Prof Brainard, as portrayed by the late, great Robin Williams in the movie of the same name.

 

[benjenbav]

Just as a completist, I feel obliged to say that flubber was a secret invention of Prof Brainard, as portrayed by the late, great Robin Williams in the movie of the same name.

As Henry says…

 

[henryf]

If that was meant as a reply to my previous "Have they?" question to ari, well, congratulations to both Princess and Pininfarina!
Then again, the other part of my question still stands: what would you prefer to look at, while walking along the dock to reach your brand new 30m pride and joy, an X95 or a Riva Corsaro?

Princess have 5 other ranges alongside the X Class so there is something for everyone. You don’t have to like everything on the menu. I detest Wasabi paste but love Blackened Cod.

 

[MapisM]

Agreed.
Not the specific example, 'cause I can think of fishes that I like better than cod, but the principle is faultless.
That doesn't answer my question anyhow, which was about your (and ari's, originally) menu preference rather than mine - which I already expressed.
Not that you have any obligation, of course.
Silence can be worth a thousand words anyhow, as they say...