Wayfarer to Europe

[John the kiwi]

Dont know about ferries there, but ferries in NZ penalise length much more than height. Any chance you could strap the boat upside down on the car roof?
Maybe with trailer upside down on top of that? I have seen it done here with largish sailing dinghys, but depends on vehicle of course.

 

[st599]

Dont know about ferries there, but ferries in NZ penalise length much more than height. Any chance you could strap the boat upside down on the car roof?
Maybe with trailer upside down on top of that? I have seen it done here with largish sailing dinghys, but depends on vehicle of course.

But to drive from the UK to Romania, the OP will have to pass through at least seven different countries so whereas if he's towing it and the trailer meets EU and UK rules, he's fine. However, I don't think the EU have harmonised roof loading, so he'd have to change the signage at each border (providing his car can take 170kg on the roof).

 

[John the kiwi]

But to drive from the UK to Romania, the OP will have to pass through at least seven different countries so whereas if he's towing it and the trailer meets EU and UK rules, he's fine. However, I don't think the EU have harmonised roof loading, so he'd have to change the signage at each border (providing his car can take 170kg on the roof).

Sorry, i should have been more explicit. I meant to suggest doing a temporary roof carry just for the ferry trip and just to save money on the fare cost. Once on the other side revert to normal trailer towing mode.

 

[DJE]

We took ours on the ferry to Holland many years ago. Moved the boat right forward on the trailer to reduce overall length for the crossing. But at 16ft long and 6ft beam I can't see you getting a Wayfarer on a car roof.

 

[ridgy]

Most uk vehicles have a roof limit of 75kg. I've pondered getting either my miracle or solo on the roof at about 60kg and soonish abandoned the idea. Wayfarer is a total non starter.

 

[dunedin]

Most uk vehicles have a roof limit of 75kg. I've pondered getting either my miracle or solo on the roof at about 60kg and soonish abandoned the idea. Wayfarer is a total non starter.

Used to see Enterprise on roof of a mini van. But yes Wayfarer plus road trailer on the roof to get on a ferry is fantasy land, unless the tow vehicle is very large

 

[MADRIGAL]

...And then there is the mast, at 23 feet.

 

[DownWest]

Where your car is registered will have some effect.
You might want to contact the Dinghy Cruising Ass. There were some questions about towing to France and others have towed to Italy..

 

[Beelzebub]

I used to roofrack my Fireball, complete with launching trolley and mast. No problems in France or with ferry.

(Had to pay for the length of the mast, of course)

 

[Minerva]

I used to roofrack my Fireball, complete with launching trolley and mast. No problems in France or with ferry.

(Had to pay for the length of the mast, of course)

[assuming both boats are down to minimum racing weight]

A fireball has a racing weight of 77kg - a wayfarer is nearer 170kg. Quite the difference!

 

[Beelzebub]

[assuming both boats are down to minimum racing weight]

A fireball has a racing weight of 77kg - a wayfarer is nearer 170kg. Quite the difference!

You're right of course. I've sailed a Wayfarer on occasion and it was an absolute bugger to pull up the slip!

 

[Concerto]

Just been reading the RYA web site on towing a boat i.n the EU and the rules as they see them. If you are a member of the RYA you can find the information here.
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The general conclusion is:
The conclusion the RYA has reached is that a Carnet is not required when a private traveller enters the EU with personal effects, means of transport or goods imported for sports purposes which they intend to re-export.
There are a few things that must apply, but if you are living in Romania this might complicate things. Also the towing vehicle must be registered outside the EU.

Further practical information on declaring the boat for temporary admission at the border i.e. making the oral customs declaration can be found on the Entry and Exit Formalities page under Traveling abroad towing a boat (for non-commercial purposes).

If you are not a member of the RYA I would be happy to copy the information for you. Just private message me with your email address and I will forward it to you.

 

[syvictoria]

The general conclusion is:
The conclusion the RYA has reached is that a Carnet is not required when a private traveller enters the EU with personal effects, means of transport or goods imported for sports purposes which they intend to re-export.

Does the OP intend to re-export the boat? I thought that they wanted to move it to their residence in Romania, but I may have misunderstood.

 

[Stemar]

Where your car is registered will have some effect.

Surely that's the total effect as far as legislation is concerned? If car, trailer and load meet the rules for the country of registration, they're legal anywhere in Europe, probably in the world, but can't swear to that. Start leaving them in another country for months, and that'll change but, as far as getting somewhere is concerned, AFAIK, that's it.

 

[st599]

Surely that's the total effect as far as legislation is concerned? If car, trailer and load meet the rules for the country of registration, they're legal anywhere in Europe, probably in the world, but can't swear to that. Start leaving them in another country for months, and that'll change but, as far as getting somewhere is concerned, AFAIK, that's it.

Many places are saying that you need EU compliant trailers. (EU trailers have to have the number plate attached to the trailer beyond the extremity of the load).

Plus an EU citizen can't drive a non-EU registered car in the EU - so the legislation reaches further than just safety rules.

 

[WoodyP]

Does the OP intend to re-export the boat? I thought that they wanted to move it to their residence in Romania, but I may have misunderstood.

Post#4 says he is bringing it back here from Bucharest.

 

[Concerto]

Post#4 says he is bringing it back here from Bucharest.

In the original post the OP says:
"I am hoping to drive a wayfarer dinghy back to europe this summer where I am living currently and will need to first cross the channel and several countries to get back with my car and the dinghy behind on a trailer. "

In post #4 he said he would later want to bring it back to the UK. The advice from the RYA is what he should be reading, not all the answers on the forum from people who have not done something similar.

 

[syvictoria]

In the original post the OP says:
"I am hoping to drive a wayfarer dinghy back to europe this summer where I am living currently and will need to first cross the channel and several countries to get back with my car and the dinghy behind on a trailer. "

In post #4 he said he would later want to bring it back to the UK. The advice from the RYA is what he should be reading, not all the answers on the forum from people who have not done something similar.

Ah, I read post #4 differently! As the OP states that s(he) is currently living in Romania, I assumed 'here' was 'there' (meaning Romania)! But, yes, the OP should really be careful about relying on advice given here.