VAT issues for travel to sailing events in EU

[DownWest]

There is a difference between commercial stuff (trade) and someone off on a jolly. At the mo. it is a bit confused about the lines. Perhaps by the time the couple are allowed over it will be clearer.

 

[st599]

There is a difference between commercial stuff (trade) and someone off on a jolly. At the mo. it is a bit confused about the lines. Perhaps by the time the couple are allowed over it will be clearer.

It's not that big a difference as the limit on goods for the EU is about 400 Euros. In fact, the Cruising Association said in their recent webinar that a Carnet would be required for all tools and spares on your yacht.

 

[Alicatt]

It was like that taking my CCTV truck to the channel Islands in the 1990s carnet and everything documented serial numbers and at the end a bond of about £10k on £120k worth of CCTV equipment, then everything checked and detailed when I got back to Weymouth and the bond returned to my credit card Phew!

I remember my father having to do pretty much the same on a road trip through Europe in the 1960s and only £50 per adult allowed in cash I think it was £30 for us kits but not sure, ordering up traveler's cheques in various denominations - and they managed to spell my father's name wrong on them ... Explain that to a bank teller in Spain that your name is not Robber P. but Robert P. much hilarity not!

 

[DownWest]

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I remember my father having to do pretty much the same on a road trip through Europe in the 1960s and only £50 per adult allowed in cash I think it was £30 for us kits but not sure, ordering up traveler's cheques in various denominations - and they managed to spell my father's name wrong on them ... Explain that to a bank teller in Spain that your name is not Robber P. but Robert P. much hilarity not!
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A guy delivering stuff to us in the Algarve from Germany had his van robbed. The Checks were cashed in Spain a long way away the next day, with signatures that were nothing like the owners... Not all banks so fussy..

 

[dunedin]

A guy delivering stuff to us in the Algarve from Germany had his van robbed. The Checks were cashed in Spain a long way away the next day, with signatures that were nothing like the owners... Not all banks so fussy..

Assuming this is not a recent anecdote (who still uses cheques), how do you think an overseas bank could check the signature of a presented foreign cheque? The only record would be back at the originators bank. When the cheque wended its way back to the original bank, it probably bounced the cheque some time after the original presentation. Hence why foreign cheques are/were a hopeless way of getting payment, as could bounce some months later!
Thankfully replaced with better and safer systems like SEPA (until we left the EU!)

 

[DownWest]

Assuming this is not a recent anecdote (who still uses cheques), how do you think an overseas bank could check the signature of a presented foreign cheque? The only record would be back at the originators bank. When the cheque wended its way back to the original bank, it probably bounced the cheque some time after the original presentation. Hence why foreign cheques are/were a hopeless way of getting payment, as could bounce some months later!
Thankfully replaced with better and safer systems like SEPA (until we left the EU!)

I was talking about travelers cheques, which have/had the 'owners' signature on the top, normally made when issued and and signed again when cashed. It was in the 80s.

 

[Daydream believer]

(who still uses cheques),

I DO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[LadyInBed]

Taking a dinghy can't be much different to taking a caravan. The Caravan Club don't have anything to say about the van - Travelling in Europe after Brexit information

 

[st599]

Looking at the government website, caravans and trailers over 3.5 tonnes need to be checked and registered on a central database before being allowed in the the EU.

According to an intenational shipping agent,

Carnets are most popularly used under the following scenarios:

• Goods are being shown on display at a foreign trade show
• A company will need to bring certain tools to complete a job or make a repair in a foreign country
• Race car drivers bringing their car to a racing event
• Musical instruments for performers. For example Stradivarius violins and other priceless instruments
• Yachts and sail boats for international race competitions
• Props, sets and other materials used for a film or entertainment event

However, reading the relevant document on Lex, it mentions Means of Transport - so it depends on if the boat being trailed can be classed as a means of transport, rather than recreational. And that will be down to individual Customs Officials.

 

[rotrax]

I think in this case someone had added some laser power-supplies as last-minute spares, and they weren't on the customs paperwork. They had to unpack the truck and catalogue the whole lot to see what else was "being smuggled". Took all day; fortunately it was on the way home so didn't make them late for setting up a show.

Most Brits in recent memory have only travelled to non-EU places as individual airline passengers, on holiday or as short-term business visitors, where the process is fairly streamlined. They've forgotten that this is the reality of international borders and always has been. Even the US-Canada border, which you'd imagine would be fairly straightforward between friendly and culturally fairly similar nations, I know an American who was turned back for something or other to do with his car paperwork. And I read a blog post by an artist living in the northeastern US who decided to drive to a comics convention just over the border to sell some of her art - she knew she had to do export paperwork for the goods and tried to ensure it was taken care of in advance, but still ended up spending hours at the border re-filing paperwork and paying fees she didn't expect to. She lost money on the whole affair and I think decided not to bother in future.

Pete

Because she was going to work, not just visit the comics convention.

Big difference.

I travelled all over Europe pre EU plus the comicom countries for motorbike racing using an RAC Motorsports carnet. Perhaps the RYA needs to offer something similar.

Lots of photographs, stickers and old motorsports magazines eased the way nicely...........................

The old DDR was at NVQ level 5 for beurocracy..........................

 

[Tranona]

I can't see anything on the RYA site that covers this, but pretty sure they will be up to speed with what is required, so a call to the legal department should get the answer.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

Taking a dinghy can't be much different to taking a caravan. The Caravan Club don't have anything to say about the van - Travelling in Europe after Brexit information

The “Friendly Club”, no agro here you see, we’re British, don’t you know.

 

[AntarcticPilot]

Assuming this is not a recent anecdote (who still uses cheques), how do you think an overseas bank could check the signature of a presented foreign cheque? The only record would be back at the originators bank. When the cheque wended its way back to the original bank, it probably bounced the cheque some time after the original presentation. Hence why foreign cheques are/were a hopeless way of getting payment, as could bounce some months later!
Thankfully replaced with better and safer systems like SEPA (until we left the EU!)

Oddly, small charities (such as churches) often have no choice but to use cheques, because the accounts require multiple signatories - usually any two out of maybe four or five people (so that if one of those four or five receives a payment, it isn't signed by them). This isn't possible with apps or websites, so the vast majority of payments have to be via cheque; some go via standing order. Goodness knows how the banks will cater for that kind of account when cheques finally bite the dust!

 

[Graham376]

I've been out of business now for 20+ years so don't know of recent changes. At that time, cheapest for us to process as receiver were cheques, we were charged more for banking cash. Credit card was most expensive, with debit being cheaper, bank transfers weren't used then for retail business. I still have to write cheques a couple of times a year but the only ones I receive are from DVLA after I SORN car, when away to the boat.

 

[dunedin]

Oddly, small charities (such as churches) often have no choice but to use cheques, because the accounts require multiple signatories - usually any two out of maybe four or five people (so that if one of those four or five receives a payment, it isn't signed by them). This isn't possible with apps or websites, so the vast majority of payments have to be via cheque; some go via standing order. Goodness knows how the banks will cater for that kind of account when cheques finally bite the dust!

All the major banks already have electronic banking platforms that allow payments with dual signatures. But some of them choose to insist on applying large business charges to be allowed to use this platform. There is no cost driver behind that, just bank choice.
Easy enough to allow charities to use the better platform with no extra cost over standard platform. One to discuss with bank, or may need charities to approach jointly at national level.
Fortunately cheques cost the banks far more than electronic payments, so if speak to the right people they should be amenable.