United Kingdom vs United States Bridge command termonology

LuigiWriter

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Saw the quote, "Two navies separated by a common language" in a book on the WWII Malta Convoys.
One British Captain illustrated on a TV program the difference with "All Ahead Full" and I believe "Forward All together Full"

I have scoured the bluejackets manual and every sea-dog's and military museum's glossary of sailing terms plus books and have yet to find a side by side comparison of nautical bridge commands in different naval languages.
That search phrase right there brings me every command structure of every navy in the world, except of course what command officers say for steering, speed, and in submarines vertical position and trim commands to their helmsman and others.

I am especially interested in WWII British submarine control commands or at least surface ship control commands before computerized Bridges reduced bridge crews.

Did the Australian's have a few unique twists just to frustrate their Commonwealth and US officer friends? [Did they ever call each other mates, besides of course third mate so and so get over here and stop this chart from sliding off the #$%^&$# chart table! ?]

I spent time on watch on American Destroyer bridges for four years back in the Sixties, but even my blue jackets manual does not have a section on if you are the helmsman or the engine room telegraph man "he says this, you do that" section.

Any Help would be fully appreciated.

As a reward, here is a true sea tale. Me and a beautiful blond lady, having lunch looking out on Rio's Epanima Beach[as in the girl from]. Only problem. She spoke no English and I spoke no Portuguese. The food was delicious, I think.
 

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As a ship's pilot I often had the con on board American merchant ships. My helm orders were always solemnly translated to the person at the wheel by the OOW - starboard became right and port became left.

More seriously, the use of American tug orders indirectly caused the heavy collision of a UK flag VLCC with the Ras Tanura Sea Island, when I worked there many years ago.

The forward tug was British, on an ARAMCO charter, with an English skipper on his first berthing task at the oil terminal. The pilot (not me) had ordered the tug to push at three quarters power on the bow (ahead 16), to arrest a swing that had developed. The swing was over-corrected and the ship's bow then began to swing rapidly towards the berth. The tug was ordered to stop and then to back 16. Unfamiliar with this use of the word "back", the tug skipper thought this was an instruction to go back to 16 notches on his Liaaen variable pitch controls - but still pushing.

The tug was invisible from the "onshore" bridge wing, in the push/pull mode alongside the high freeboard ballasted tanker.

With mounting alarm, the pilot asked the tug if he was in position, i.e. at 90 degrees to the hull. The tug skipper confirmed that he was.

Back Full! was the next order. Unfortunately the tug skipper heard this as back to full (ahead). He pushed his throttles to the stops and shortly afterwards the ship demolished one mooring and two breasting dolphins.

Several million dollars worth of repairs were necessary and the berth was out of action for many months.
 

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Reminds me of someone else who owes San Juan, Purto Rico a pier.

They kept referring to Crash Aclenheimer [Not his real name] when the USS Warrington [WW-II destroyer class] got orders to Gitmo and San Juan for a shakedown cruse, back in the '60's. I had to ask.
One of his qualification tests was to pull the twin screwed vessel away from the pier, from start to finish.
Well, he was apparently doing fine, engine room was ready, all the preparation orders had been given and all hands were on deck and ready,
He then ordered all ahead 1/3
A resounding crash was heard as the pier followed the Warrington into the bay.
Men were ducking into hatches as pieces of wood and other pier parts rained onto the deck. No one telling the story remembered what happened to the handlers on the pier.
He had of course forgotten "Cast off lines."
Last heard from, like many first year cadets on their first two week summer stent on ship, he had transferred to West Point.
I hope the Army never put him in charge of a Howitzer crew.
 

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Been to Jack Speak. While it had basics like starboard and port, it did not have any entries for multiple word commands like, "all ahead full" or its British counter part.

I will try Covey Crump, It sounded delicious until I realized I would probably be eating someones words.

Thanks for the suggestion.
 
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