Uninformed Gossip, Hooligan V and Napoli

[lenseman]

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Out of simple academic curiosity, where can we see the study, please ?

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I have found this synopsis from the MAIB which states that the keel of the Hooligan was incorrectly fabricated and was faulty.

http://www.maib.gov.uk/cms_resources/Hooligan%5FV%2Dsynopsis%2Epdf

All the reports on the Hooligan can be found here:

http://www.maib.gov.uk/publications/investigation_reports/2007/hooligan_v.cfm

 

[Seagreen]

So can we all be friends again, then?

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[mandlmaunder]

75* of all mathamatical calculations are made up, and of no practical use to anyone except the nerds who think this will make them inportant.
It can also be proved thru math n statistics that the Human race does not exist, therefore our opinions are void thru lack of existance.
Q.E.D we not here on a cosmic level so why take us seriously?
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[landaftaf]

I know I am not a figment of my imagination - I couldn't (in my wildest dreams) begin to invent the trials and tribulations I have been through.

therefore I am /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[MarkGrubb]

I find it very difficult to believe that it can be proved that the human race does not exist. I find it even harder to believe that any credible scientist would waste their time on such a study, the findings of which would be trivial as it does not need Einstein to tell us that we do exist. I doubt anyone would be found to referree such a study, or that any credible journal would bother to submit it for peer review.

Scientific method is rigourous. The problem is that all most people read is the dumbed down versions that later appear in the popular press, and that includes some of the scientific press and low quality journals, not just news papers.

I suggest that at the very least Woodentop submits his findings to the forum for review.

 

[tillergirl]

Re: serious question

Any 'tracker' needs to have a power source and that's where the problem would lie with your suggestion. Plus maintaining it in a serviceable condition. But presumably some sort of EPIRB solution could work - but any antenna would be vulnerable, who would give a toss to see it it worked and so on.

 

[Slow_boat]

Re: serious question

AvastMark,

99.97% of statistics are flawed at the point of collection, let alone interpretation, and therefore 99% should be taken with a pinch (0.01%) of salt.

Further, 83.7% of auditors need to get out more.

 

[dulcibella]

Re: serious question

I don't understand how a statistical study can give a zero probability - unless no containers were lost??

 

[Bajansailor]

Re: serious question

Just a general thought - its all very well suggesting that containers be fitted with tracking devices, but if one falls overboard and floats, and can be tracked, who will be responsible for going and getting it? Or ensuring that it sinks properly?
The trackers will not be much use to little yachts pottering along happily in mid-ocean.... who is going to tell them that trackers indicate floating containers in their vicinity?

 

[landaftaf]

Re: serious question

the hydrographic office promulgates ocean sea area nav warnings

 

[snowleopard]

Oi! get back under your bridge. And shave your feet while you're at it.

 

[DeeGee]

Re: serious question

I would suggest that most (unqualified) containers are filled with a buoyant load. This may be fresh air (leading to the 30mins figure) or a hetrogenous cargo which - airless - may eventually make the container sink. It is just a question of how long the air or other buoyant material takes to lose its buoyancy. For example, wood will eventually become sodden and not be capable of keeping the container up. Ping-pong balls should last a good while.

During this life-cycle, from fully buoyant to sunk, the container will ride at various heights, including just below the surface - and I can imagine for a given container, this could be quite a while.

Remember sod's law: deny there are any containers like this, and the one and only will find YOU /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[Major Catastrophe]

Re: serious question

The three 30,000 plastic duck containing containers in 1992 obviously shed their load after the doors must have opened.

I have little knowledge of pressure hydraulics (Is that the correct science?) but my limited brain power reasons that if the containers had sunk with the ducks on board, they would have imploded under the pressure. So they/it either floated for some time and then released the duck cargo, or the doors burst on impact with the sea when falling from the deck.

If the the containers floated then it may have been just below the surface. Interestingly, some ducks headed for the Antarctic and some for the Arctic, which makes a mockery of any drift projections and forecasts.

 

[Allan]

Re: serious question

I read some of the threads at the time and along with most people on here discounted the container theory. The MAIB report says the cause was a design/build problem. Why would someone associated with the salvage, post such an offensive comment on here? I now have the "methinks he protests too much" thoughts. Maybe the weak keel did get a touch from something after all?
Allan