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Nomad has now shown on several threads to be spreading clear lies and seriously bigoted racial views. Please avoid responding to this poster as it will only encourage her. I would recommend to use the good 'ignore this user' function that this thread offers.

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One of the problems of this medium is that much is lost with lack of body language, facial expression, tone and inflection. I take it that you don't know the nomads? I do, and count them as friends. To call them liars is untrue and unjustified. It is also very ill-mannered and totally uncalled for.

You should be very, very careful before calling anyone a liar and ask yourself why you are doing so. Do you think that you are doing a public service - saving the rest of us from being deceived by these devils? Do you think that we are too stupid to judge these things for ourselves? Or are you just being rude because it is in your nature to be rude?
 
Lemain, have you actually read the thread above here?

Well Lemain, I don't know nomad and I can only respond to the posts that nomad has put here. If you read them I think you will understand why I am not the only poster here that has reacted rather negatively to their content.

This particular thread here is trying to show that all Ibizians are bad. Her post further up here that infers that 'Romanians' are involved in children kidnap and body parts merchandising is just too far to believe. She has failed to support her fantastic claims. That to me supports the wish that we will not want that rubbish on our threads. 'Ignore that user'. If you do believe this sort of things that nomad proclaims, Lemain; well that is your choice. I think that others on this thread would just not like be part of these bigoted views. Life is really too short for this bs.....
 
Don't know them either, but their (what now appears to be fake) child kidnapping post had my three year old asking this morning why we had an extra alarm on the companionway and had anyone come in during the night. He had overheard my wife and I discussing extra security and if we should cancel our planned Ibiza trip when we first saw their post. Not funny, and I'm very pi***d off.
 
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...we agree that its the people who have never left the island or travelled outside spain that are the worst. What they seem to forget, is that its the tourists that are their livelihood and without them they wouldn't have jobs...

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Why is it that people who visit islands often have these outmoded ideas. Islands are no longer reliant on tourists for their income. I see this in here on the IW.

People sail across the Solent Ocean to grace us with their GB Pounds - which go to Sainsbury's, Musto, Fat Face, Yates's, Wetherspoons et al - even the ferry companies are owned by Australians. All these people who sail on a couple of charter weekends a year think I will be impressed when I own my own boat and can sail any day of the year I want to.

Stop patronising people. Just because people are "on holiday" doesn't mean they can behave in an unacceptable fashion.
 
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Lemain, have you actually read the thread above here?

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Yes, of course I had read this thread and nothing in it suggested that they are lying. I had not read the Romanian thread but now I have, and that does not look like a 'lie' to me. I think it's very probable that the basis of the Romanian story is true - if you come and spend any time along the Spanish Med coast you will find that the Eastern Europeans have a well-deserved reputation for prostitution, drugs, theft, and violence. The problem started around five years ago, I believe. Why should you expect the nomads to, as you put it "support their fantastic claims"? They have told the story and given its source. Do you jump up and down every time you read a Daily Mail story that sounds fantastic, and accuse them of lying? The Mail are selling papers; all the nomads are doing is to flag up a warning and I'd bet that they dearly wish they hadn't!

Very often truth is stranger than fiction and I have no difficulty whatsoever in believing that a child was abducted by Eastern Europeans in an Ibizencan supermarket. Knowing how protective the Ibizencans are towards their tourist industry (I have spent months there over the past two years), the chances of that story being released to the public are vanishingly small. Reading your own contribution to that thread, had it not occurred to you that the "emergency doors" probably meant that a member of staff was standing by the doors and, post-Maddie and in the year of Maddie, that is not implausible? As others have said, Spanish supermarkets do have toilets as do Tescos, Sainsbury's, M&S, Waitrose, etc. I would certainly not brand anyone - let alone a fellow poster a liar on the basis of that post, one that they seem to have honestly believed.
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Well Lemain, I don't know nomad and I can only respond to the posts that nomad has put here. If you read them I think you will understand why I am not the only poster here that has reacted rather negatively to their content.

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That to me supports the wish that we will not want that rubbish on our threads. 'Ignore that user'.

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Is that the royal 'we' or have you become forum police? You have made a series of totally unfounded cynical attacks on a fellow poster. By all means ignore them, or me, or anyone you please, but please reserve terms such as 'liar' for cases that are beyond reasonable doubt. This is far from being 'beyond reasonable doubt'. I am not impressed, and you call yourself a professional?
 
Lemain as you know the Nomads it would be interesting to see what the reason was for posting this

"This is a true story which happened in a supermarket in San Antonio, Ibiza recently.
A Spanish woman was shopping with her young daughter aged about 3 or 4, the child was running up and down the isles, her mother expecting her to be in the next isle when she got there was suprised not to find her. She looked around and still couldn't find her, so she went over to the cashier and told her her child was missing. Immediately the cashier hit a button and the emegency doors were closed, the Guardia Civil were called and a search of the supermarket ensued. In the toilets they found a Romanian couple with what appeared to be a small boy. The boy was actually the missing girl, they had taken her into the toiled cut her waist length hair short, stuck on an baseball cap and changed her clothes to boys clothes. They were immediatly arrested. The guy broke down and admitted to the Guardia that they had taken the girl to sell for body parts!!!! This is completely true as a friend of mine was in the supermarket at the time and was a witness. Please everyone travelling abroad with young children, keep an eye on them at all times, these people are monsters and have no regard for human life. Take care, be happy, look after your children."

On the original thread this caused people real concerns, understandably. It was not until another poster found this link that there were doubts raised

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/parental/kidnap.asp

The coincidences between the two are remarkable, the latter link is clear that this is an urban myth which people are encouraged to forward to others.

Although it would stretch coincidence to breaking point, if this is true and it was her friend that witnessed this it would be good to know the date and supermarket involved. As Nomad lived in San Antonio for 7 years I assume she would know the supermarket involved.

If, this was a silly story she posted withpit realising the effect it had on others it would be better for all if Nomad admitted that and apologised for the upset she has caused.

I am not saying bad things do not happen all over the world, of course they do, but this story appears completely baseless.
 
Actually, nomad said "This is completely true as a friend of mine was in the supermarket at the time and was a witness." i.e. the nomads did not say that they had witnessed it. They said that they were told the story by a friend.

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On the original thread this caused people real concerns, understandably

[/ QUOTE ] I read much more disturbing things in the papers every day. What's the big deal about that story, true or false? If the nomads (possibly daughter nomad?) had been told the story by someone else and believed it to have been a local happening, she might be said to be a bit gullible, but kids tend to be, eh? No harm done? After all, true or false, the story highlights the need to keep your eyes on your kids at all times when out and about in San An. Very sensible advice anywhere, but especially in San An.
 
No harm done? Are you nuts? Plenty of distress caused on this boat because of it. We were a few days from leaving for Ibiza.

What about any harm done to the economy of Ibiza if people don't visit?

We all keep very close eyes on our kids and don't need lurid lies about kidnapping children for body parts as "sensible advice". Sensible advice is one thing. Lying to the world on the internet is totally different.

Nomad your post has had a direct impact on my plans, so true or false? PM me if you don't want to post.
 
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No harm done? Are you nuts? Plenty of distress caused on this boat because of it. We were a few days from leaving for Ibiza.

[/ QUOTE ] I'm very surprised (to the point of being astonished) that the post in question, articulated in the manner it was, had such a profound influence on a young, healthy, professional couple, in TV and advertising, such as yourselves. Most people don't take much at face value on the internet unless it passes basic sanity checks and corroboration from other sources.

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What about any harm done to the economy of Ibiza if people don't visit?

[/ QUOTE ] In all seriousness, do you imagine that the nomads' post is going to have an effect on the economy of Ibiza /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Clearly harm was done because you have been upset and your plans might have been affected - and that is profoundly regrettable - but I doubt whether the nomads could reasonably have foreseen that, given the vast amount of far more distressing (and questionable) news on the TV, radio and in the media 24/7.

Ibiza is a lovely place to visit but, as nomad has said, there are very real issues especially unless you are near mother-tongue fluent in Catelan, or have married into one of the couple of families who own or control over 80% of the island. Outsiders will always be outsiders, I am told, and the locals can be very beastly indeed if you are competing for local work.

Anyway, leaving all that aside, I like your website and wish you an enjoyable spell in the Balearics and wish you the best of luck with the new venture. Maybe we will drop in and say hello if we are passing this summer.
 
"Nomad your post has had a direct impact on my plans, so true or false?"

Jonic, you seem to be pretty stressed about this whole thing. (& that's putting it mildly)
I can't believe you'd cancel plans to go there just because of this 1 post.!
We're talking about IBIZA for christsake, not SOMALIA.!

"We all keep very close eyes on our kids."
Great, & that's exactly what you have to do. Anywhere.

Have a good time there.!
Jock
 
No what I'm stressed about is someone using the liveaboard link to spread what appear to be lies about a place I'm just about to visit with my kids.

I as a Father of two young children consider that post to be in the worst possible taste. I come here for information, opinions and ideas on livingaboard not this kind of malicious stuff.

I suspect it was the daughter, can't believe an adult would do it.

Anyhow I've had enough, no more posts from me on it.
 
Do you mean you would consider changing your plans and not going to San Antonio because an apparently trustworthy member of this forum says there are a gang of Romanians there who would abduct your chidren, kill them, cut them up and sell their body parts. Surely that would make it a number one family destination!

Seriously when first reading the post I would have had the same concerns as you and can understand completely your feelings. People should not underestimate the pain they can cause by spreading such rumours
 
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Lemain, why am I not surprised that you are friends with the nomads?

[/ QUOTE ]I'd wager a fair sum that you would like the nomads if you met them. The trouble with this medium is that it does not always convey what people mean. What some people write means one thing to some and something entirely different to others. Sad truth, but beware dissing people too easily - most of the folk here are OK when you meet them in the flesh even if you don't 'like' them from their posts.
 
Lemain, you are very correct that one has to be careful in judging people. But have you not understood that this is the exact essence of why people have reacted so negatively to nomad's post? She has clearly not been careful with checking her facts before spreading vitriol.

Someone who can spread very vicious (and clearly very hard to believe) rumours about 'Romanians' without first checking the facts are not very admirable in my book.

I have carefully read and tried to understand nomad's post before calling her a bigot. She was not as careful before spreading vile rumours that were documented not to be true, if you made an effort.

Does this make any sense to you, Lemain?
 
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Does this make any sense to you, Lemain?

[/ QUOTE ]Lady Jessie, it is pathetic and crass to hound those poor people. You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
It's fairly normal on these forums if someone posts something that normally does the rounds by email and is obviously false to just post the Snopes or similar response, and it's all over and dusted. There has been no response from Nomad for days and yet the vendetta goes on. Moderator notified

(Moderators, the original post that caused all the problems is on another thread on Liveaboard forum

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1825779/an/0/page/0#1825779 )
 
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