UK Sailors And Expats In The EU - Run Up To Friday 29th March 2019 & Beyond?

[Sea Devil]

If you are correct that is wonderful news

If I am correct

Of course I am correct, unless you are suggesting my post above is lies.:disgust:

And for the record - I try never to speculate - at best pointless and at worst, sends rabbits running in all directions.

It may be that a renewal does not make that requirement whilst a change of ownership or first registry does?

 

[nortada]

It may be that a renewal does not make that requirement whilst a change of ownership or first registry does?

Agree.

Possibly but as registration and re-registration are similar, I would think if you send the documents requested from a UK address - not sure how it would be different - don't think they carry out any background checks but we are on the electoral role in the UK.

Perhaps somebody can throw more light on this?

 

[greeny]

Thread drift? or am i missing something. There's already 65 pages, lets keep it on track.
There may be an affect on ability to SSR after Brexit but I'm not aware of any discussion or statement on this yet so is it relevant to this thread?

UK Sailors And Expats In The EU - Run Up To Friday 29th March 2019 & Beyond?

 

[nortada]

Thread drift? or am i missing something. There's already 65 pages, lets keep it on track.
There may be an affect on ability to SSR after Brexit but I'm not aware of any discussion or statement on this yet so is it relevant to this thread?

UK Sailors And Expats In The EU - Run Up To Friday 29th March 2019 & Beyond?

You’re missing something.

Renewing SSR is very relevant to Brit sailors overseas now, between now and 29 Mar and when/if it ever happens, post Brexit.

 

[greeny]

Sorry but still missing something.
Just renewed mine no problem.

 

[nortada]

Sorry but still missing something.
Just renewed mine no problem.

So have I. My point is that British Boaties renewing their SSR over the next few months part of what this thread is about so in no way is it thread drift.

 

[greeny]

So have I. My point is that British Boaties renewing their SSR over the next few months part of what this thread is about so in no way is it thread drift.

So what's changing / changed with respect to or because of Brexit?
Or am I missing something.

 

[nortada]

So what's changing / changed with respect to or because of Brexit?
Or am I missing something.

As Brexit has yet to occur, nothing but as to the future, who knows?

Hence, rather than thread drift, this is a valid discussion within the scope of this thread.

 

[Graham376]

So what's changing / changed with respect to or because of Brexit?
Or am I missing something.

I don't think you're missing anything and can't understand why SSR renewal should be a worry as it's solely a UK registration system with no EU control. Only snag could be if UK authorities become aware that an individual owner has emigrated.

 

[greeny]

I don't think you're missing anything and can't understand why SSR renewal should be a worry as it's solely a UK registration system with no EU control. Only snag could be if UK authorities become aware that an individual owner has emigrated.

Agree Graham.
And surely that concern has existed since SSR began. So nothing has changed. Here we are panicking over something that has not changed and is probably not likely to.

 

[nortada]

I don't think you're missing anything and can't understand why SSR renewal should be a worry as it's solely a UK registration system with no EU control. Only snag could be if UK authorities become aware that an individual owner has emigrated.

Agree that with regard to SSR registration, Brexit would change nothing.

EU countries (including Portugal) would still recognise SSR registration so as you say, any problem could be with getting the UK to renew the registration for non-British national, who doesn’t have a UK address - same as now.

As to relevance in this thread - hopefully it lays another Brexit scare story.

 

[greeny]

Just had my first tangible proof that Brexit is affecting business in Portugal. Insurance company for my house electrical equipment has just sent me a letter saying my insurer has changed from a UK based to a German company and actually state uncertainty around Brexit as the reason for this. I know its not boaty or liveaboardy but is interesting to see that some companies are reacting to Brexit.

 

[nortada]

Think we may have been here before so others may wish to comment

https://www.saga.co.uk/magazine/mot...medium=email&utm_campaign=Motoring Newsletter

How do the drivers from other none EU countries fare?

If true, it could stuff the Iberian car hire & tourist industry!

 

[nortada]

Just had my first tangible proof that Brexit is affecting business in Portugal. Insurance company for my house electrical equipment has just sent me a letter saying my insurer has changed from a UK based to a German company and actually state uncertainty around Brexit as the reason for this. I know its not boaty or liveaboardy but is interesting to see that some companies are reacting to Brexit.

And you accuse me of thread drift.:encouragement:

 

[greeny]

And you accuse me of thread drift.:encouragement:

Thought this comment might come. hehe.

 

[jordanbasset]

Just had my first tangible proof that Brexit is affecting business in Portugal. Insurance company for my house electrical equipment has just sent me a letter saying my insurer has changed from a UK based to a German company and actually state uncertainty around Brexit as the reason for this. I know its not boaty or liveaboardy but is interesting to see that some companies are reacting to Brexit.

Affected my yacht insurance as well - part of a letter I received from Y Insurance for my renewal moving the underwriting from Lloyds to a Belgium company and also creating a new company registered in France-

'I have created a new company Y Yacht Assurances France EURL which is registered
in Paris and authorized by the French regulator ORIAS. ...
Our underwriters MS Amlin have also taken steps to maintain both UK and EU business
after Brexit irrespective of political decisions. From the 1st January 2019 our All Risks
policies will still be underwritten by MS Amlin but no longer through Lloyd’s but through
their Belgium Company.'

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Agree that with regard to SSR registration, Brexit would change nothing.

EU countries (including Portugal) would still recognise SSR registration so as you say, any problem could be with getting the UK to renew the registration for non-British national, who doesn’t have a UK address - same as now.

As to relevance in this thread - hopefully it lays another Brexit scare story.

If you wish to retain British Registration without a UK address then Pt1 is the way to go.

 

[Sea Devil]

If you wish to retain British Registration without a UK address then Pt1 is the way to go.

Yes of course but completing a p1 in a foreign country - not the UK is very expensive because of the haul out and paying a measurer to visit!

 

[Mistroma]

Yes of course but completing a p1 in a foreign country - not the UK is very expensive because of the haul out and paying a measurer to visit!

Interesting, I wasn't aware a haul out was required. Surveyor turned up when we were on board, didn't bother with length as he said he had documentation from builder to work out length. He did measure bilge to coachroof, possibly beam and a couple of other things. I did ask about draft and he said he was only interested in measuring to the bilge as you couldn't but anything under that. All over in about 30 mins. silly money for the time and level of expertise required. I imagine most people could do the survey when instructed what to measure and no real need to do it again for other boats of same model. Probably a little more time consuming for one-offs and perhaps that would require a lift.

Surveyor pretty much admitted that he was only there to confirm it was the model written on the form and did really exist. I think he could get any measurements from manufacturers drawings and records of sister ship measurements.

I was surprised to discover that Part I registration is NOT proof of ownership. I remember having a search carried out about 33+ years ago to check for a mortgage on our previous boat. That involved travelling to Portsmouth and looking at a big ledger. I did supply a Bill of Sale when registering but discovered that they aren't legally bound to keep track of all mortgages or liens. I believe that there is a legal requirement to declare change of ownership but read that it is very common for owners not to bother.

I was surprised to find the bit about it not being proof of ownership, even the RYA still refer to it as providing proof of title. I dug out the link where the claim was made in an article on International Institute of Marine Surveyors website back in 2014

https://www.iims.org.uk/registration-tonnage-explained/

 

[Sea Devil]

I am not sure about the haul out... When I had the part 1 done the boat was out of the water and I was under the impression it was necessary but... Interesting info about Part 1... Thank you