Poignard
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Cheese that tastes like cheese?They should start serving Edam on board His Majesty's Ships.
That would be a break with tradition!
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UK’s biggest warship suffers propeller shaft damage off south coast after setting sail for US
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That would be a break with tradition!
Poignard
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I think they still had plenty in stock when I joined in 1957
jamie N
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A bit like Brickwoods then?
SaltIre
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I believe two-thirds of our cheese is imported - a disgrace.
dunedin
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The BIG error here seems to be not having a foolproof system for preventing such a foreseeable human error.
As has been noted by other posters, other simple steps could - and should - have been put in place to make this impossible / foolproof.
Fr J Hackett
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I don't doubt there was a "foolproof" system in place unfortunately there were at least two people one of which was the pilot that ignored it.
SaltIre
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Yup. If we recruit pilots with eyes in the back of their heads they could use hindsight.
Poignard
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When I was in HMS Gambia somebody tried to organise a 'brewery run' (RN slang for a guided tour) to Brickwoods but nobody put their names down for it.
Vile stuff!
When I was in HMS Gambia somebody tried to organise a 'brewery run' (RN slang for a guided tour) to Brickwoods but nobody put their names down for it.
Fr J Hackett
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Yup. If we recruit pilots with eyes in the back of their heads they could use hindsight.
It might even help if they used the ones in the front of their heads.
Bouba
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I think they do...those new, F35 top secret helmets mean that you can look anywhere (including at the floor) and it’s like there is no aircraftYup. If we recruit pilots with eyes in the back of their heads they could use hindsight.
Poignard
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When the engine is run up to speed before launch wouldn't the engine management system have detected the problem?
Bouba
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Perhaps nobody could imagine anyone doing something so obvious...and is it an official F35 cover...or an after market, like the one I have on my Tesla from Amazon?
Fr J Hackett
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Possibly, I don't know but what I do know or am aware of is that the pilot is like a civil pilot required to walk around the aircraft and satisfy himself that there is no visual impairment such as a big red plug with a big red dangly streamer attached sticking out of one of the air intakes.
Fr J Hackett
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Having listened to people better placed than I making pronouncements about MOD procurement it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
dunedin
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That’s not a foolproof system then, so the people who designed the system made the bigger error. Most system/procedures can designed to almost entirely eliminate the risk of catastrophic errors like that.
The physical tokens on single track railways was an early example of that.
British car makers didn’t design foolproof manufacturing methods, but the Japanese car designers used poka yoke to think of very simple ways to make assembly much more reliable - eg changing symmetrical parts to be asymmetric so could only be assembled the right way.
The posting earlier about simple teechniques to ensure an ROV could not be launched with key components out of place was another excellent example.
Would not have taken long to design a physical procedure which guaranteed that covers could not be left on pre-launch (eg all such components attached to a storage rig and only when all connected could a component be extracted which allows pilot to start up).
Major failure of forethought and procedure design.
Fr J Hackett
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There is not a system ( H&S) including mirror boards and even personal safety locks that can't be and have been overridden by an inventive idiot. At it's simplest two people at least failed in their basic responsibilities through indolence or carelessness, perhaps there is another reason and no doubt a back story that encompasses others but I can think of nothing that would excuse the flight deck crew and pilot from their responsibilities and the fact that they failed to carry them out makes them a future liability.
SaltIre
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Why not share your suggestions with the Panel? They might just introduce Hackett's procedure.
https://assets.publishing.service.g.../1099593/20220819-ZM152_SI_Interim_Report.pdf
Fr J Hackett
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Why not share your suggestions with the Panel? They might just introduce Hackett's procedure.
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https://assets.publishing.service.g.../1099593/20220819-ZM152_SI_Interim_Report.pdf
In other words looking for an excuse.
Kukri
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The ship was returning to her home port following a deployment to the Pacific.
On the one hand, she should have been what I think the Navy calls “worked up”.
On the other hand, merchant ship people recognise a condition called “Channel Fever” - “sod it, we will soon be home”.
On the one hand, she should have been what I think the Navy calls “worked up”.
On the other hand, merchant ship people recognise a condition called “Channel Fever” - “sod it, we will soon be home”.
Poignard
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The "channels" giving rise to "homeward bounders" meaning, amongst other things, long untidy stitches on sail repairs.
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