UK’s biggest warship suffers propeller shaft damage off south coast after setting sail for US

[Thistle]

Presumably so he could face a court martial along with the deck crew and be dismissed the service.

I guess all those involved are most unlikely to make the same, or a similar, mistake again. Dumping them would, in some ways, be a waste of their expensive training. Keeping them and applying some other punishment might be better. (And I've little doubt that the combined wisdom of this forum could suggest what that punishment might be!)

 

[Bouba]

I guess all those involved are most unlikely to make the same, or a similar, mistake again. Dumping them would, in some ways, be a waste of their expensive training. Keeping them and applying some other punishment might be better. (And I've little doubt that the combined wisdom of this forum could suggest what that punishment might be!)

If someone forgot to write ‘removing turbofan raincover is the job of....’ then it’s nobodies fault on the flightdeck...and replacing them with people who might repeat the mistake is foolhardy....deducting a pound a week until it’s paid off is probably against their human rights

 

[Kukri]

It was the port intake blank:

Post 391:

“Prior to sinking, the left-hand intake blank was observed to float clear of ZM152's wreckage and was subsequently impounded. A salvage operation was mounted, and the aircraft was located and successfully recovered to the UK.”

In defence of the crabs concerned, the intake blanks on an F-35 are not as obvious as they were on the Harrier:



They are basically foam cushions jammed inside the intakes.

 

[Poignard]

How do they start the engine with the air intake blanked off?

 

[jamie N]

With ROV's, we also had a number of items that were to be removed before a dive. I insisted that they were all connected together on a single line to eliminate the possibility of leaving one in place. We'd also another way of avoiding a fault, which was to tape any 'bleed valve' that had been removed from a pressure vessel to the pilot's screen so that it wouldn't be overlooked.

 

[Kukri]

She had a seacock on the engine exhaust outlet and I kept the starter key hanging from it:

 

[Kukri]

How do they start the engine with the air intake blanked off?

One engine, two intakes.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

It was the port intake blank:

Post 391:

“Prior to sinking, the left-hand intake blank was observed to float clear of ZM152's wreckage and was subsequently impounded. A salvage operation was mounted, and the aircraft was located and successfully recovered to the UK.”

In defence of the crabs concerned, the intake blanks on an F-35 are not as obvious as they were on the Harrier:

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They are basically foam cushions jammed inside the intakes.

Apart from the big dangly red tapes.

 

[Bouba]

As far as I know it was the cover for the vertical lift fan that was left on? It might not be so obvious from deck level

 

[penfold]

There's a flappy hatch over it, no need for a cover.

 

[Uricanejack]

I guess all those involved are most unlikely to make the same, or a similar, mistake again. Dumping them would, in some ways, be a waste of their expensive training. Keeping them and applying some other punishment might be better. (And I've little doubt that the combined wisdom of this forum could suggest what that punishment might be!)

All humans make errors. Punishment has never been a very successful method of prevention of errors.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

All humans make errors. Punishment has never been a very successful method of prevention of errors.

Pour encourager les autres.

 

[Hermit]

But better a human error than a techncial problem with the plane which caused all of the other planes to be gounded until a solution was in place.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

But better a human error than a techncial problem with the plane which caused all of the other planes to be gounded until a solution was in place.

It was a technical error in the sense that all the systems and safeguards to ensure potentially fatal occurrences do not occur failed.

 

[SaltIre]

It was a technical error in the sense that all the systems and safeguards to ensure potentially fatal occurrences do not occur failed.

They'll have added another layer when, in fact, making all the holes smaller would be better...

Swiss cheese model - Wikipedia

 

[Fr J Hackett]

They'll have added another layer when, in fact, making all the holes smaller would be better...

Swiss cheese model - Wikipedia

And that is the problem. Systems are only as good as their management and the respect for both. All too often they fail when those who should follow them do so out of habit and when they do so the answer becomes another box to tick.

 

[SaltIre]

I doubt the Swiss Navy have had any of their fighter jets crash.

Edit: To save you the trouble....

The air force has suffered a few crashes over the past decade, including a F/A-18 that went down in the French Jura in 2015 (for which the pilot was last year acquitted of negligence) and a collision between two Swiss F-5s in the Netherlands in 2016, caused by pilot error.
Fighter jet crashes in central Switzerland, without injuries

 

[Fr J Hackett]

I doubt the Swiss Navy have had any of their fighter jets crash.

I bow to the superior knowledge of a big cheese.

 

[SaltIre]

I bow to the superior knowledge of a big cheese.

They should start serving Edam on board His Majesty's Ships.

 

[Kukri]

Suffolk cheese no longer exists; Pepys ordered it to be supplied to the Navy but it was so inedible that the Navy banned it in 1756:

Foods of England - Suffolk Cheese