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[kashurst]

Porto that is bollox. Virus testing at least in the UK is accurate and well controlled as it is in most developed countries. The problem in the UK is that there isnt nearly enough resources to roll it out across the country

As for pre flight virus testing, it seems somebody is thinking about it as a way to facilitate travel

Emirates Starts Rapid-Testing Passengers for Virus Before Flight

Now if Emirates can do it, you can bet that other major carriers wont be far behind because its a way of getting people on to your planes and heaven knows airlines need the money. And if one country accepts pre flight testing as a condition for entry you can bet others will follow

I just looked that up. If an major airline can do a test in 10 minutes, why is the UK p@ssing about with swabs up your nose and 24 - 48 results plus all the associated admin?

 

[Irish Rover]

I really hope you are right. I just think that whenever you add a "political" factor in, such as discussions in the Spanish parliament re banning all Brits, then outcomes become emotional rather than practical. as far as the UK is concerned we are leaving, the EU continue to say we are leaving at end this year after a trade agreement (what a joke) and frankly the only reason the EU could give a damn re us is an economic one ie they need our tourist dollars. however as we can see even within the UK the economic argument has no sway yet on policymakers. Ergo we in the UK are going to be seen in a different light I believe. Anyway I hope I am wrong

Based on the latest figures I could find UK tourists spend £25b per year in the EU 27 and the value of imports from the EU27 to the UK is £357b. Even with a strict visa regime Brits will still flock to the EU every year so only a fraction of that 25b would be lost. There is a tendency on this forum to exaggerate the value of UK tourists to EU countries. In the overall scheme of things tourism is not that important.

 

[longjohnsilver]

Based on the latest figures I could find UK tourists spend £25b per year in the EU 27 and the value of imports from the EU27 to the UK is £357b. Even with a strict visa regime Brits will still flock to the EU every year so only a fraction of that 25b would be lost. There is a tendency on this forum to exaggerate the value of UK tourists to EU countries. In the overall scheme of things tourism is not that important.

Very true. Where we are in Spain I’d guess that UK tourists make up around 5% of the total. But move 8 miles south to Benidorm and it’s probably nearer 50%, but apart from the money they bring in, not many locals would miss the Brits and their loutish behaviour.

 

[Portofino]

I think the biology will prevail over all, without political infighting between the Europeans inc the U.K.

As I said once the r number the transmission rate more of less equalises between member states then there will no reason scientifically to prevent reciprocal movement of people .


As said once your risk is more or less the same wether in London , Madrid , Paris , Rome or Athens ( for Vas )
The same for the province’s of each state were we boat .

So it’s pointless testing as I say for INTRA EU movement of people .


This is a different Q to returning from outside the EU + U.K. area .I think outside the scope of this thread .

 

[longjohnsilver]

One big concern for me after the end of this year, unless a further transition period is agreed, we will no longer have the protection on the EHIC, and I doubt any insurance will cover the costs of cv 19 treatment, which could cost an absolute fortune for anyone seriously affected by it. Not sure how that will play out.

 

[Portofino]

One big concern for me after the end of this year, unless a further transition period is agreed, we will no longer have the protection on the EHIC, and I doubt any insurance will cover the costs of cv 19 treatment, which could cost an absolute fortune for anyone seriously affected by it. Not sure how that will play out.

Negotiations if it were Marcon and myself would start along the lines of “ there are 500,000 French Nationals currently working in London “

I am thinking reciprocal arrangements for the foreseeable .

As far as insurance like any risk ....actuarial support = higher premiums + more exclusions .
I know elderly U.K. folks with children located in the States eventually give up travelling to see them because they basically can’t afford the HI premium.

 

[petem]

One big concern for me after the end of this year, unless a further transition period is agreed, we will no longer have the protection on the EHIC, and I doubt any insurance will cover the costs of cv 19 treatment, which could cost an absolute fortune for anyone seriously affected by it. Not sure how that will play out.

And discounts for people with the anti-body.

 

[Clancy Moped]

From the Airport in Mallorca.

 

[John100156]

I think you only have to hold your breath for 35 mins, John.
That is the transit time.
But there is, of course, the waiting in the train before it sets off and the waiting to get off.
So you may be right - holding your breath for an hour would give you an element of safety!!

Well that's the problem solved then, everyone should be forced to hold their breath for an hour and I predict within a day C-19 will no longer be an issue - must be worth a Nobel Prize for medicine.... latest figures from UK looking promising (I hope):

 

[Mr Googler]

Ibiza could open for holidays in August - but Britons told stay away

 

[John100156]

Ibiza could open for holidays in August - but Britons told stay away

Madness, better learn to speak German I think......... dont mention the.....

 

[vas]

...and what about mozzies? just killed the third one this week in the kitchen just now (tiny one I know but I hate them anyway!).
Is it safe to be in a mozzie infested area?
maybe staying up north in the cold is not that bad after all...

 

[Hooligan]

Based on the latest figures I could find UK tourists spend £25b per year in the EU 27 and the value of imports from the EU27 to the UK is £357b. Even with a strict visa regime Brits will still flock to the EU every year so only a fraction of that 25b would be lost. There is a tendency on this forum to exaggerate the value of UK tourists to EU countries. In the overall scheme of things tourism is not that important.

I believe the maths are that Spain is the second most visited country in the world after France. Circa 83mm visitors in 2019. In 2018 14mm were Brits and Spain was named the preferred destination for British tourists in 2019 so even with T Cook debacle assume same arrivals in 2019 ie 17% of the total. Tourism is circa 12% of GDP so if we assume everyone spends the same then 17% of 12% is 2% of GDP. Suspect most of this occurs in June to September. i think a total ban on Brits however unlikely would constitute a quite big hit and I suspect that Brits probably spend more than the average. this is even worse when you consider that the biggest increase in 2019 in visitor arrivals came from the US and I doubt those guys are coming back to Europe for a while. Bottom line we all need to stick together as Europe, of which we are part.

 

[Mr Googler]

Madness, better learn to speak German I think......... dont mention the.....

thats what I thought.....so say they block flights from the UK........people just do a 2 leg journey and fly in from elsewhere!

 

[longjohnsilver]

Madness, better learn to speak German I think......... dont mention the.....

It’s the Daily Mail ffs.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

From the Airport in Mallorca.

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Not sure whether to thank you for that! Not good news

 

[Irish Rover]

I believe the maths are that Spain is the second most visited country in the world after France. Circa 83mm visitors in 2019. In 2018 14mm were Brits and Spain was named the preferred destination for British tourists in 2019 so even with T Cook debacle assume same arrivals in 2019 ie 17% of the total. Tourism is circa 12% of GDP so if we assume everyone spends the same then 17% of 12% is 2% of GDP. Suspect most of this occurs in June to September. i think a total ban on Brits however unlikely would constitute a quite big hit and I suspect that Brits probably spend more than the average. this is even worse when you consider that the biggest increase in 2019 in visitor arrivals came from the US and I doubt those guys are coming back to Europe for a while. Bottom line we all need to stick together as Europe, of which we are part.

Spain GDP £986b 2016 UK tourist spend in Spain 2016 just under £8b

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Spain GDP £986b 2016 UK tourist spend in Spain 2016 just under £8b

Every country in Europe has trashed its own economy shutting down for CV19. When they open up again they are not going to risk letting in potentially infected tourists who cause another outbreak leading to their economies being shut down again

 

[Clancy Moped]

Not sure whether to thank you for that! Not good news

Sorry, if I hear anything else I will post.

 

[vas]

Every country in Europe has trashed its own economy shutting down for CV19. When they open up again they are not going to risk letting in potentially infected tourists who cause another outbreak leading to their economies being shut down again

I wouldn't be so sure about that Mike.
What you say is the right approach, not at all sure politicians will take that route though...