THOSE OF US WITH BOATS IN THE MED

[John100156]

Mind you, even the Chunnel needs to move air for ventilation through it sharing the virus with all.....;-)

I'm going to practice holding my breath for an hour....

 

[julians]

Mind you, even the Chunnel needs to move air for ventilation through it sharing the virus with all.....;-)

I'm going to practice holding my breath for an hour....

Scuba tanks?

 

[Portofino]

When we arrived via the Chunnel in the U.K. at the end of March , the staff were wiping the door handles of the carriages and the yellow hand rails etc .Scanning the ticket without touching it etc .......so to me pretty on the ball re contact transmission.
Airborne ....just have to hope the “ R” the transmission rate is low and he ventilation system is full on .
Wonder about that window 1/2 down rule ( to hear safety info ) hmm .....ideally they are better up / closed .
But theres always a few burks who get out of there car and walk about or hang about leaning on the yellow hand rails , bet they stay in there car nowadays !
Suppose you could wear a mask sat in your car ...a proper fitted PP3 or they could ask everyone who exists there car to wear a simple barrier mask ....to minimise them spreading droplets .

Anyways by now there should be enough evidence flying about in the soup of research if the Chunnel is a vector ?
From a legal POV the operator might sensibly want to evidence its decisions going forwards in terms of defending future litigation for negligence I would have thought .

 

[Hurricane]

Mind you, even the Chunnel needs to move air for ventilation through it sharing the virus with all.....;-)

I'm going to practice holding my breath for an hour....

I think you only have to hold your breath for 35 mins, John.
That is the transit time.
But there is, of course, the waiting in the train before it sets off and the waiting to get off.
So you may be right - holding your breath for an hour would give you an element of safety!!

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

It is not easy running anything in a pandemic and so I am loathe to be overcritical and give some benefit of the doubt, but our reaction can only be judged against the leadership of other countries. In the UK today we have absolutely no clue whether we will be locked up for another three months or whether we will be slowly allowed out and how This lack of any clarity is likely to cause other countries to wonder whether they even want Brits roaming around their own countries this summer.

Agree with your sentiments and I also agree with your point about whether other countries will allow Brits or indeed other foreigners into their country. IMHO cross border travel is going to depend on one of 2 things, either proof of a very recent negative virus test in your own country or proof of immunity (however temporary) as a result of an antibody test. If you can prove either that you are not infectious or that you are immune then you may be allowed into other countries. Otherwise why would countries take the risk of allowing foreigners in and yes I am aware they may have a tourist industry?

The problem for Brits is that the UK govt has not ramped up testing to anywhere near the level of other countries so the chances of getting a virus test just before you are due to travel are going to be poor and AFAIK the antibody immunity test is months away from being validated

We have flights booked in August to Nice and I am far from confident that we will be able to travel. In fact we've booked a hotel for the same time in Scotland (which can be cancelled at the last minute) as a fallback holiday option

 

[mcanderson]

Just heard on Riviera Radio that there will be an announcement soon about the reopening of ports for pleasure users!

All part of the phased return to the new normal.

Announcements on travel also expected soon.

 

[mcanderson]

Mike I hope that hotel in Scotland is in Perthshire and starts with Glen and ends in eagles!

 

[Bouba]

Just heard on Riviera Radio that there will be an announcement soon about the reopening of ports for pleasure users!

All part of the phased return to the new normal.

Announcements on travel also expected soon.

I’m too far to the west to get Riviera Radio, so can you please post as soon as it’s announced ?

 

[Portofino]

Just heard on Riviera Radio that there will be an announcement soon about the reopening of ports for pleasure users!

All part of the phased return to the new normal.

Announcements on travel also expected soon.

Big EU ( teleconference) summit meeting today ........they may have enough time after wrangling over €,s to focus as I said on a combined border release policy there’s a lot of cross border workers needed to various extents In various members .
Hopefully on the back of that economic move they allow tourism movement.

Another group suppose a kinda sub group are 2nd home owners which can be further subdivided into retirees who basically assimilate and workers who live near there job but reside in another state .

As for as Deleted User ,s travel status POV ( see post #385 ^^^ ) that’s never gonna work in the EU ( or ex EU states - in U.K. ) too complicated and there isn’t any sound testing science , never will be .Basically consider Europe as one large area disease wise .Your risks will balance near enough in time so it’s does not matter if you travel from say London , to Paris , to a Madrid , to Rome .

Trans Continental travel is gonna be the REAL problem not INTRA Continental .But that’s not what this thread is about ....
if we stick to affect of C19 on Med boating .


Interestingly on Swiss info ( think smoke detector) they are developing a virus detector , a bio sensor that detects airborne Corona virus it sends alerts when it’s detects high concentration of its particular RNA .
Zurich uni ......and local biotech firms .
For use in public spaces like trains + airports .

I,ll leave it to your imaginations of the roll outs and wether a “ marine “ Vs will become available

 

[Portofino]

I’m too far to the west to get Riviera Radio, so can you please post as soon as it’s announced ?

Radio app - get any radio any where on your I pad streamed in .

 

[Hooligan]

Small piece in Times today suggesting that the Balearics will ban Brits this summer

 

[Bouba]

Interestingly on Swiss info ( think smoke detector) they are developing a virus detector , a bio sensor that detects airborne Corona virus it sends alerts when it’s detects high concentration of its particular RNA .
Zurich uni ......and local biotech firms .
For use in public spaces like trains + airports .

I,ll leave it to your imaginations of the roll outs and wether a “ marine “ Vs will become available

Imagine that, you’re at a crowded train station and the virus alarm goes off!!! everyone runs out spreading the disease......

 

[DAW]

Just heard on Riviera Radio that there will be an announcement soon about the reopening of ports for pleasure users!

All part of the phased return to the new normal.

Announcements on travel also expected soon.

The comments on Riviera Radio are extracts from an interview given by Thierry Duchesne, a commissaire at the Prefecture maritime de la Mediterranee, to French news services. In the interview he said they are working on a plan and provided some details, but emphasised that so far nothing has been decided. He didn't provide a date for finalisation and release of the plan, only saying that it would be as soon as possible. He went on to say that the one thing that is sure is that the release from confinement will be progressive and will follow any guidance issued by the French CIC on maintaining social distancing measures (presumably he means what they are planning after 11th May).

Their current thinking seems to be as follows ... First they will allow the return to work of professionals to prepare the ports, beaches, etc. (none of the bouys marking beaches, etc. have been deployed). Next they will allow professional crews to move boats required for tourist services (ferries, day trip boats, etc.) and perhaps seasonal rentals/charters. Only after this would the movement of pleasure vessels be permitted. He went on to say the problem is not so much while a boat is in transit or at sea, but more the challenge of maintaining social distancing in busy ports where there can be lots of people.

This is part of a larger debate taking place in the South of France on the revival of tourism. Local officials recognise the pressure that is building from the population and employer representatives and unions are aggressively campaigning for a quick release from lockdown and reopening of shops, beaches, hotels, bars and restaurants as soon as possible. Local health officials are advising very strongly against this and seem to have the support of local politicians. Meanwhile, the French government is considering maintaining restrictions on non-essential movement between departments, towns, etc. as part of any gradual release from lockdown. There was a rumour circulating that a decision had been made to allow bars and restaurants to reopen on 15th June, but this has been specifically denied by the prime minister who confirmed they will stay closed until further notice.

As everywhere else, you have the conflict between businesses (who want everything to reopen), health services (who want everything to stay closed), the people (more or less frightened by the virus depending on age and health, and becoming increasingly frustrated with confinement) and politicians (trying to keep everyone happy). The South of France has had a surprisingly low level of cases given its proximity to Italy and Spain. They recognise they have been lucky and are trying to balance a desire to restart an economy based largely on tourism with the risk that this imports the virus from other more affected areas.

Its a mess!!!

 

[mcanderson]

Here is the cut and paste from the Riviera news

End of confinement in the region's ports - The end of confinement for ports in the region is being mapped out by the maritime prefecture. The deconfinement will be done in two stages, in order to allow economic recovery and to avoid excessive traffic. The first "preparation" stage will allow the return of nautical activity linked to tourism and the second will authorise the opening of beaches and circulation of pleasure vessels. A date for the progressive exit from lockdown is expected to be announced "very soon".

And here is a link the station's website where you can also listen in from. Riviera Radio In English - 106.5

There is also a Rivera Radio app and you can play it via tunein and other radio hosting websites and apps as required and via smart speakers.

 

[mcanderson]

DAW - I've been told that Monaco marine are reopening on Monday (professionals only) and my lift out for mid-May is still going ahead.

We a planning a number of options for getting to Beaulieu.

Flying from either FRA or LUX both are the same distance from us.

Drive via France or via Switzerland/IT route.

All this is for late May.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

DAW - I've been told that Monaco marine are reopening on Monday (professionals only) and my lift out for mid-May is still going ahead.

I received this 2 days ago from Port Vauban in Antibes

Yes this may be a precursor to gradual opening up of leisure boating in France but IMHO for us Brits that isnt the issue because I just dont see how France or indeed any country will open its borders anytime soon to mass tourism from countries which still have CV19 infections. Again just a guess but this may be done on a country by country basis depending on how well individual countries have CV19 under control. In any case the UK is still in lockdown and likely to remain so for a few weeks yet so nobody is travelling anywhere from here

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

As for as Deleted User ,s travel status POV ( see post #385 ^^^ ) that’s never gonna work in the EU ( or ex EU states - in U.K. ) too complicated and there isn’t any sound testing science , never will be .Basically consider Europe as one large area disease wise .Your risks will balance near enough in time so it’s does not matter if you travel from say London , to Paris , to a Madrid , to Rome .

Porto that is bollox. Virus testing at least in the UK is accurate and well controlled as it is in most developed countries. The problem in the UK is that there isnt nearly enough resources to roll it out across the country

As for pre flight virus testing, it seems somebody is thinking about it as a way to facilitate travel

Emirates Starts Rapid-Testing Passengers for Virus Before Flight

Now if Emirates can do it, you can bet that other major carriers wont be far behind because its a way of getting people on to your planes and heaven knows airlines need the money. And if one country accepts pre flight testing as a condition for entry you can bet others will follow

 

[DAW]

DAW - I've been told that Monaco marine are reopening on Monday (professionals only) and my lift out for mid-May is still going ahead.

We a planning a number of options for getting to Beaulieu.

Flying from either FRA or LUX both are the same distance from us.

Drive via France or via Switzerland/IT route.

All this is for late May.

Yes, Monaco Marine is progressively reopening its yards. St Laurent du Var is already open and Beaulieu will follow soon. The bigger problem for everyone is movement of boats between the home port and the shipyard, which is still not permitted without specific authority. If you're using Monaco Marine in Beaulieu then this should not be a problem. I suspect your main issue may be travel ... PM sent.

 

[Portofino]

Porto that is bollox. Virus testing at least in the UK is accurate and well controlled as it is in most developed countries. The problem in the UK is that there isnt nearly enough resources to roll it out across the country

As for pre flight virus testing, it seems somebody is thinking about it as a way to facilitate travel

Emirates Starts Rapid-Testing Passengers for Virus Before Flight

Now if Emirates can do it, you can bet that other major carriers wont be far behind because its a way of getting people on to your planes and heaven knows airlines need the money. And if one country accepts pre flight testing as a condition for entry you can bet others will follow

See my post #367 ^^
It’s the use of the “ science “ behind it not the actual tests per se .....but there are problems with that as well but that’s not what I mean ....apologise for the ambiguity.

Salient point is this
“Its useful for epidemiologist in terms of playing with data to facilitate gov decision at a particular point in time buts that’s all .”

INTER Continental is agree going to be an issue .
INTRA .......in a few weeks ( once the stats are messed with ) not an issue .

 

[Hooligan]

See my post #367 ^^
It’s the use of the “ science “ behind it not the actual tests per se .....but there are problems with that as well but that’s not what I mean ....apologise for the ambiguity.

Salient point is this
“Its useful for epidemiologist in terms of playing with data to facilitate gov decision at a particular point in time buts that’s all .”

INTER Continental is agree going to be an issue .
INTRA .......in a few weeks ( once the stats are messed with ) not an issue .

I really hope you are right. I just think that whenever you add a "political" factor in, such as discussions in the Spanish parliament re banning all Brits, then outcomes become emotional rather than practical. as far as the UK is concerned we are leaving, the EU continue to say we are leaving at end this year after a trade agreement (what a joke) and frankly the only reason the EU could give a damn re us is an economic one ie they need our tourist dollars. however as we can see even within the UK the economic argument has no sway yet on policymakers. Ergo we in the UK are going to be seen in a different light I believe. Anyway I hope I am wrong