The Wales Noah's Ark Photo-Story

[Heckler]

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[Heckler]

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[EdEssery]

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I have always had the view that if a boat looks right, it very probably is right.

This boat very definitely does not look right.

Sorry Noah - I'm with Penarth on this one...

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[bryantee]

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It would be interesting to see the stability curve and Stix No.for this little baby.Any surveyors like to comment?

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[ccscott49]

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I'm sure the vessel is loved and serves as very useful purpose, it is after all their home. but where it is I feel it adds nothing to the marina. As you say in another place, fine. She does look like she's at least looked after. I believe from what NOAH told me, the vessel never did have an engine etc and was built as a barge or lighter or something similar. It could be moved, with ballast, I'm sure, but he couldn't afford it. he has also upset so many people around there, he'd have trouble finding somewhere reasonably local, where his children go to school etc. a sad case all in all, but i can see the marinas point, dont like it, but can see it.

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[graham]

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The ARC(nee Picton)was originally a sea going motorvessel .Now I believe it has no engines .

More to the point it has no insurance and as you say no club or local authority will accept it under the circumstances.

This raises the next chapter in the saga ,what happens to the Arc once the family is rehoused ashore??

Afew years ago before all the publicity, threats of legal action etc ,they possibly could have arranged a tow with a local workboat to one of the Bristol Channels backwaters(there are more than most realise) and restarted their life somewhere new and probably more pleasant than Penarth Marina.

Now its hard to imagine any one accepting it ,especially in view of its lack of insurance .

The phrase "painted yourself into a corner"springs to mind.

Personally Ithink its a great shame that their way of life is being changed.The children are noted for being polite and well behaved and while the deckhouse may not be pretty the boat and surrounding area is allways clean and tidy.

If attractive lines were a requirement ,to my eye half the boats in britain would be kicked out of their marinas.

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[wpsalm]

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Looked at the pictures , the hull looks pretty and fair...is it wood ? does it leak ? It may not look all that boaty as many have commented but it does look very much like a Noah,s ark ....being evicted for lack of insurance...pity underwriters being what they are these days very few older wooden boats are insured...no doubt the marina operaters are concerned at the possibilty of the boat sinking at her moorings and being abandoned...but if this is truly the case then a proper survey by someone who has actually built wooden boats for a living should set their minds at rest....but suspect there is more to the story and would be interested in hearing the marina owners side of it...

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[clyst]

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Bottom line is the marina has told Noah to leave as they are entitled to do !! So he has to change his life style so what ? life can be a bitch sometimes!! If he wants to stay in a marina environment then buy a boat that is acceptable . If he can afford one "TOUGH ". I cant see why he keeps flogging a dead horse . His original contract with the marina has run out I believe, and he has been told to vacate his berth . Suggest he gets a life and move on .

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[wpsalm]

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Yes agree it is tough as for the marina having every right to tell him to move on....not so sure about that.....perhaps but if he pays his rent on time he should be entitled to some rights himself...as for telling the man to get a life, poor response the man already has a life and thats what this is all about....

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[hlb]

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Afraid theres a bit more to this story than meets the eye. You not been folowing the saga?? Yawn..

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Haydn

 

[clyst]

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Normally a marina berth is a 12 months contract only .If , after that either party does not want to renew the contract so beit . IMHO poor old Noah hasn't a leg to stand on. So as I'v said before he has either to get a boat that is acceptable to the marina ,move the boat somewhere else or move ashore ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT !! but he does not appear to want to do anything other than whitter on about how hard done by he is!!! As HLB says this saga has been going on for ages ---time to let it rest ??

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[NOAH2]

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At the start of THIS thread I have made comment about my last request being locked out. The request made clear what we are seeking..... your constructive....help and or advice. Not to be confused with an unhelpful opinion, or expressions of abuse and ridicule. The invitation to pass comment was on the photo-story site. I am not here to "whitter" but to seek help. Here is that earlier appeal. If, after reading it you can offer what we seek, please reply as indicated.


Dear Kim,

In any event that this genuine appeal attracts negative and largely unhelpful response, we would be very grateful if you would act only upon those responses. To remove our appeal for help aswell, would seem to be unfair to say the least.

Thankyou.


This request is again respecfully made in good faith to the YBW.COM Community Forum. Please help us in our crises.

We URGENTLY seek a place to berth our HOUSEBOAT, M.V.PICTON, presently laying at Crest Nicholson Marinas Limited Penarth Marina, Wales, United Kingdom.

The Vessel Details.

M.V. Picton
Built Circa 1964
Builders J.N. Millers & Son, St Monans, Fife, Scotland.
Approx. 55 Feet Length Overall
Beam 17.05 Feet
Draught 6.05
Approx. Weight 33-40 Tonnes

Hull Construction. Two inch Larch, on four by four inch, English Oak Frames


To avoid any possibility of mis-communication, this request is to the point. It is truthful and consequently the following details are submitted, also in good faith.

The vessel has developed a water - ingress, post grounding and toppling accident, at the above Penarth Marina. Consequently, the vessel has been unable to attract favourable insurance cover. It is not likely to do so until such time as the vessel may be slipped or lifted clear of the water. In any event it would need a full out of water survey before attracting such insurance cover. It is not yet established as to what extent the vessel has been damaged, or how the vessel may fair under passage. It is not yet established that the vessel may be lifted or slipped before travelling. In this sense, it must be responsibly considered, that the vessel may deteriorate in travel. The vessel would have no alternative but to arrive under towage, (subject to further insurance approval) as it has no engine nor other means of propulsion.

The Housboat M.V. Picton is a Family Home for Seven People, two adults and five children. Four of the children presently require both primary and secondary education facilities.

This is a genuine request for YBW.COM community help and all replies will be given full consideration. For any further enquiries, please respond at the earliest convenience to the Co-Owners, by any of the following means:

Marie Louise and Vincent Shalom
Houseboat M.V. Picton
Penarth Marina
Wales
CF64 1TQ


E-mail WWWnoahELSETOGO@aol.com


Your community help in this regard is very much appreciated. Our sincere thanks are also extended to this site administrators.




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[NOAH2]

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Yes KEN, and Thank You.

You are absolutely correct!

It's supposed to be about insurance, according to Crest Nicholson,. Not beautiful lines, or nautical correctness, or number of children, or how we earn our living, or whether we pay concil tax, or what systems the vessel is provided with, or the 'House-i-ness', of a Houseboat.

But unfortunately in this age of the instant judges, it all becomes easily distracted.

NOAH

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[hlb]

Re: Lets make things simpler!

What Mr Noah is asking for. As I understand it. (But might well be mistaken)

1/ A very big crane.

2/ Some one to mend his boat.

3/ A friendly surveyor.

4/ A big tug.

5/ Provision of a suitable mooring. Obviously this must be close to his childrens school.

All the above to be supplied, free of charge.

Please form an orderly queue below.

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Haydn

 

[BarryH]

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Can't actually see a big que forming for this one! On atotally different point. If the boat! does get lifted and surveyed. Will the surveyer chap not realise that the original construction of the boat was never designed to take the weight that it is now taking. All very well while still afloat, but once the keel hit the bottom the frames/planking spread under the extra load of the superstructure.
So in actual fact, it may never be able to get indurance cover. That is, of course, that it survives being craned. All that load on a couple of points on the keel?

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[hlb]

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Well If it comes off. I for one will be very glad. I could do with a lift out shortly and some antifouling and anodes. I think it's a brilliant idea. I have loads of things this MBY community forum help group could help me with. I fink I fancy a couple of new Cummins 300hp Please. I do have two children to support. Well I know there thirty years old now, but some one said that they get worse as they get older, and it's a fact.

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Haydn

 

[Trevethan]

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It's relatively easy to get third party insurance, which is what most marinas demand. Usually included in this is wreck removal coverage -- I suspect. I have seen prices in the region of £50 to £100 a year for this sort of cover.

Have you tried this avenue? Of course if you get cover, I am pretty sure that the marina will find another excuse to turf yiou out -- as most have said the "boat" is umm inconventional in appearance.




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[ccscott49]

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They dont really need an excuse, all they do is not renew the Annual mooring contract, they can do whatever they want, it's their marina, you have no rights of residence.

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[clyst]

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So what are you saying Mr NOAH if you get insurance the marina have stated that you can stay?? 'cos thats a bit different to your previous threads on the subject .I thought there were many issues there .

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[Jools_of_Top_Cat]

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what, you think vincent can actually tell the truth in one go without horrendus goading.

I think he should keep asking the same question until he gets the answer he wants, though it will make zero difference to the eventual outcome.

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