mrangry
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I think you are confusing building standards with fire risk assessment
The serious danger of the wrong diesel heater exhaust fitted.
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Bigplumbs
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Indeed he is
limecc
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Any scheme would have to be workable. How can you regulate for portable heaters or generators?
At least people are not usually asleep in the cabin in the dead of night when running the inboard diesel.
petem
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It's all regulations though which you seem to think are a waste of time.
Doesn't alter my core argument though.
Bigplumbs
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I never once said all regulations are a waste of time. And I am afraid through many years of experience in a quite highly regulated industry. I know the truth.
Here is a simple question for you. With regard to your boat and Home have you got all the paperwork neatly filed away.
My core argument I feel is perfectly valid also
Bigplumbs
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In case any one does not know Gen Sets are generally not portable. I think it was these that were referred to above by mrangry
petem
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For the boat, I've got perhaps 10 years of service history filed away plus insurance docs, registration docs, etc. all filed.
For the house, I have building regs docs, doors and window guarantees, electrical certificates, etc all filed. Mainly because not having them would add cost and delay when the time comes to sell the house.
Bigplumbs
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Do you accept that many many people are not that organised, and if they are not, it does not make them wrong.
Fair play to you in answering the question by the way
Bigplumbs
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It also occurs to me that some people who predominantly boat on inland waterways in the UK are not aware that Boat Safety Certificates do not apply generally to boats on Coastal Waters. So adding heater installs into the Scheme would not achieve much.
limecc
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Might be easy to achieve using the small ships register and extending the inland scheme. There'd be great resistance, but everyone would learn of it. History shows it often takes a tragedy (or brown envelopes) for MP's to gain the political will to put something sensible into law.
mrangry
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This is where I am a little lost , as to introduce legislation I would have expected there to have been a large number of incidents and failures relating to this and we simply haven't seen this. Effort into legislating and regulating is usually borne from experience of failures and risk. All I can see this doing is introducing needless cost for boat/camper van owners and completely unenforceable.
limecc
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I don't keep a record or anything but there's a steady turnover of preventable deaths due to CO. How many is too many?
How many electrocutions? Who knows would one even make headlines nowadays?
Safety warning about carbon monoxide poisoning after the loss of 2 lives on the motor cruiser Diversion
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mrangry
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Ah okay, I just assumed that given that you advocate regulation in this area you may have empirical knowledge of such statistics. As tragic as any preventable death is, our lives will always encounter an element of risk that cannot be totally eliminated and any such regulation would normally be risk driven.
As I said earlier, a small diesel heater produces considerably less CO than that of a combustion engine yet there are no cries to regulate owners working on these. I just use this example to illustrate how I think this is a non starter...excuse the pun.
limecc
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Threads like this and FB all serve to raise awareness. Some folk have an all too blase attitude about risk and officialdom, sooner or later time and unforeseen events will catch them out. I consider myself fairly safety conscious and I hadn't cottoned on about that exhaust design for starters.
I'm not on social media for conspiracy reasons ? ?
I'm not on social media for conspiracy reasons ? ?
lynallbel
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HGV refridgerated trailer gensets are exempt from latest emission regs, so you get a Euro6 truck pulling a trailer that can be chucking out way more emissions than the truck itself running around in a LEZ or ULEZ.
In fact the genset engines are such an old design I would guess they are Euro3 at best, on cars that would be pre 2006 spec.
mrangry
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A good example of poor regulation
limecc
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BP do you bother with a safety cert on your S24?
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Bigplumbs
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You are 100 % correct
Bigplumbs
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The RYA is the nearest thing the UK has got to a 'governing' body for our hobby or what ever you want to call it. A group of people with vast experience over the years doing their best to help all in this hobby.
I suspect that many people have no idea that the mantra of the RYA is to in effect keep UK boating as unregulated as possible and maintain the freedom that UK boaters have enjoyed for years. Sadly some people don't seem to understand that this is a good thing and think by playing the Health and Safety card all they say is correct.
Another thing that perhaps needs pointing out is that the Small Ships Register is not mandatory
I suspect that many people have no idea that the mantra of the RYA is to in effect keep UK boating as unregulated as possible and maintain the freedom that UK boaters have enjoyed for years. Sadly some people don't seem to understand that this is a good thing and think by playing the Health and Safety card all they say is correct.
Another thing that perhaps needs pointing out is that the Small Ships Register is not mandatory
harvey38
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No, it isn't that FB page so don't assume...........the clue is not.....oh jeez, here we go again!
Why would you assume I was referring to a site that had the word troubleshooting in it?
