The serious danger of the wrong diesel heater exhaust fitted.

[Bigplumbs]

They might do but they won't be able to sell their houses without the necessary paperwork.

Nonsense. I don't think you live in the real world. Firstly

If a person wants to buy your house they get over such things. Happens all the time.
Many people live in their houses for many years and have much done in that time. Do you honestly think that everyone keeps a little file with all those little pieces of paper in neatly filed. You might but in the real world who does

 

[petem]

Nonsense. I don't think you live in the real world. Firstly

If a person wants to buy your house they get over such things. Happens all the time.
Many people live in their houses for many years and have much done in that time. Do you honestly think that everyone keeps a little file with all those little pieces of paper in neatly filed. You might but in the real world who does

I moved house last summer and the solicitors were very thorough in requesting all of the paperwork relating to extensions, building regs approvals, windows, electrical work etc.

 

[petem]

Are you speaking for yourself or the rest of the population

I'm very aware of my own limitations thanks. You shouldn't take my posts as a criticism of your skills.

But it seems pretty obvious to me that if you don't regulate something then some people are going to kill themselves and others. Whether that is a price worth paying for those who believe "an Englishman's home is his castle" is up to the individual.

 

[Falcoron]

I moved house last summer and the solicitors were very thorough in requesting all of the paperwork relating to extensions, building regs approvals, windows, electrical work etc.

I BET THEY ARE EQUALLY THOUROUGH IN GETTING THAT ALL ON THE BILL.

 

[limecc]

I moved house last summer and the solicitors were very thorough in requesting all of the paperwork relating to extensions, building regs approvals, windows, electrical work etc.

Some you can get away with, the seller has to buy indemnity insurance on behalf of the buyer, but others like lack of electrical safety cert and boiler cert are definitely required or you'd lose thousands on the sale price. Like buying a boat needing work to make it seaworthy.

My gas supply was running in the cavity wall instead of outside the building. I only found out it was illegal because when I had a smart meter fitted they cut off my supply. All fixed now!

 

[mrangry]

Why have we gone so far off topic here....the post was about diesel heaters and now we are talking about certification of gas safe work. Are people seriously suggesting that the fitting of these heaters should be regulated?

 

[limecc]

Why have we gone so far off topic here....the post was about diesel heaters and now we are talking about certification of gas safe work. Are people seriously suggesting that the fitting of these heaters should be regulated?

Yes the fitment of them ought to be covered by the boat safety certificate.

The FB page undoubtedly saves lives for the competent but it also acts as an enabler for those who haven't a clue.

 

[mrangry]

Yes the fitment of them ought to be covered by the boat safety certificate.

The FB page undoubtedly saves lives for the competent but it also acts as an enabler for those who haven't a clue.

I am unsure what you are saying here to be honest. Are you talking about the inland waterway boat safety scheme being used to regulate leisure boats outwith the inland waterways?

 

[limecc]

I am unsure what you are saying here to be honest. Are you talking about the inland waterway boat safety scheme being used to regulate leisure boats outwith the inland waterways?

Yeah I don't think it's unreasonable to have a safety certificate on all liveaboards, inland or sea-going vessels. The inland scheme already covers stuff like ensuring the diesel pipe is securely fixed at regular intervals and stuff like that. Pain in the neck actually but so are car MoT's.

 

[petem]

Why have we gone so far off topic here....the post was about diesel heaters and now we are talking about certification of gas safe work. Are people seriously suggesting that the fitting of these heaters should be regulated?

Yes, exactly that.

 

[mrangry]

Yes, exactly that.

Where do we stop though, regulate anything that can issue carbon monoxide? Do we stop people working on their inboard engines? I get the whole gas safe certification thing and think it kind of works but to regulate the fitting of a diesel heater in my boat or van I think is a step too far, but hey thats just my opinion.

 

[mrangry]

Yeah I don't think it's unreasonable to have a safety certificate on all liveaboards, inland or sea-going vessels. The inland scheme already covers stuff like ensuring the diesel pipe is securely fixed at regular intervals and stuff like that. Pain in the neck actually but so are car MoT's.

So are you advocating we just regulate liveaboards or all leisure crafts?

 

[limecc]

Where do we stop though, regulate anything that can issue carbon monoxide? Do we stop people working on their inboard engines? I get the whole gas safe certification thing and think it kind of works but to regulate the fitting of a diesel heater in my boat or van I think is a step too far, but hey thats just my opinion.

I don't think it reasonable to stop people doing DIY on their own boat, but for critical items like heaters the work ought to be inspected so a minimum standard is met. Like what already happens with building control.

 

[limecc]

So are you advocating we just regulate liveaboards or all leisure crafts?

Minimum needed to prevent avoidable CO deaths.

 

[mrangry]

I don't think it reasonable to stop people doing DIY on their own boat, but for critical items like heaters the work ought to be inspected so a minimum standard is met. Like what already happens with building control.

But what will constitute a "critical item" and as for building standards, they operate differently depending what part of the UK you are in.

 

[Bigplumbs]

Where do we stop though, regulate anything that can issue carbon monoxide? Do we stop people working on their inboard engines? I get the whole gas safe certification thing and think it kind of works but to regulate the fitting of a diesel heater in my boat or van I think is a step too far, but hey thats just my opinion.

Unfortunately many people believe that all regulation and certificates and pieces of paper create safety. So often it just does not. It just creates an industry that adds little. I could quote many situations from my own industry where this is the case and also cases of where the so called safety measures actually add to the Risk. People who like to tick boxes and file stuff away will never be convinced. This is very often and sadly driven by OCD which they cant help but try to inflict on others.

 

[mrangry]

Unfortunately many people believe that all regulation and certificates and pieces of paper create safety. So often it just does not. It just creates an industry that adds little. I could quote many situations from my own industry where this is the case and also cases of where the so called safety measures actually add to the Risk. People who like to tick boxes and file stuff away will never be convinced. This is very often and sadly driven by OCD which they cant help but try to inflict on others.

Yes I agree, just look at the fire safety risk assessment industry, this has burdened business operators overnight with massive costs that they previously never had.

 

[limecc]

But what will constitute a "critical item" and as for building standards, they operate differently depending what part of the UK you are in.

I'd say at least mains electric and heating systems.
I'll pass on the other question.

The mains electric is massive because inverters don't give you a proper ground without an external earth. Now we are off topic lol

 

[petem]

Yes I agree, just look at the fire safety risk assessment industry, this has burdened business operators overnight with massive costs that they previously never had.

Or you could just let developers do whatever they want.

Just don't complain about it when they cut corners and we have more Grenfell fires.

 

[mrangry]

I'd say at least mains electric and heating systems.
I'll pass on the other question.

Fair enough but a small inboard diesel engine or even gen set can produce many times more CO than a diesel heater yet they would be exempt for regulation?