Tarquin Trader

Re: Questions on your analysis gludy

I thought Tarquin was an otter .. so you otter buy sumfink else, jist say Targa!

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Re: Am i going worng somewhere?

Brendan I was simply having a bit of fun with you ... I know that you were being theoretical, you saids you were.

Dealing with your points.
I am in practice comparing a Trader type boat which is the same length bar a few inches to my Squadron.
I am comparing them in the real world and comparing the comfort in them.
So I am in any event comparing a Trader with stablisers to a Squadron that we both agree cannot have them ... that is the real word comparison.

When you first mentioned the theoritical stabilisers on a P60 it was purely a theoretical point but assuming we now remove the stablisers off the Trader, you are still left with a more sea kndly hull but one that I understand would roll more than a planing hull that would slam more.

I know a Squadron came back this season into swansea in a f7/8 and did the trip at about 9 knots being slammed all the time because the waves lifted it then dropped it.

A trader would still have been a more comfortable ride home without stabilisera albeit a different motion. With stabilisers the game is over .. the Trader wins hands down.

Now going back to my very first point on this, you cannot campare for comfort a Trader and P60, in real life with stanilisers on the trader both doing 12 knots.
I made this point in response to being told that hull sahpe makes no difference. Basically one cuts through the waves and one goes over the top.

"We were discussing hull form, speed and comfort, not stabilisers"
no we were discussing a Trader as is at 12 knots to a P60 as is at 12 knots. The real practical example that has a bearing on boat choice.

I have never ben in both in a f8 (although I may do soon) but I am told that there is no comparison. I have been in squadron in a 7/8 and whilst safe, its not the best sort of trip to do.

"I gave you the option of taking stabilisers off the Nordhaven for the purposes of comparision too, and you conveniently ignored that aspect. "

The same principles would apply, it would roll a lot more. However a Nordhaven could still make a comfortable Ocean passage, even without them. Though I totally accept that some would be sick from the rolling.

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Re: e-debating

i think you're missing the point.

Firstly, debating by forum is attractive cos each person gets a full say. No interruptions, no shouting down, no talking over, nothing.

However, the flip side is - we aren't really a group. Most have never met nor required ever to make a joint decison. So, if someone decides to even do something drastic like get divorced, drown the family cat, become a hermit - it affects no other poster.

Now, mostly, humans don't work like this. We decide to chase the lion or not, make this investment or not, hang the guilty or lettem go: - eventually out of a discussion must come a decison one way or the other.

Back to the forum - not the same. I run some ideas past this lot, not others. I ask advice qv that antigua post. But I need no agreement upon my point of view, sometimes regardless of facts that are (in my view) central to the decision. Cos to some, those facts are not relevant.

But i am afraid that you do go on insistently. You want an outcome. Sometimes you may be wrong and sometimes you may be right. You may be right with the fuel thingy, altho i don't much care, really. But you pursue the argument in the style of a lawyer in a courtroom.

The bludgeoning is most obv in two ways

1) The blimin cut/paste and annotate of an entire post and responding to it bit by bit which renders the thing a dead-end, a non-debate, and is e-bludgeoning at its extreme, please don't do this so much.

2) the "rounding up" of each and every stray view. So in response to each answer you leap in and state your disagreements, requesting agreement. Whcih isn't how the post was intended. praps copy the style of others (i note poster Claymore lets things run a bit) who make an initial post ask a stack of open ended questions and then let it run for a bit. Praps don't see the thread as "yours"?

What started as a discussion about opinions of tarquins went to a full-on fight about fuel consumption, about which you may be right. But those rules of the e-forum still apply - everyone else can just dump it out of their minds . Right or wrong, it's just another opinion, a view, a fact, and even more disposable that newspaper.

I wd be fine to chat about tarquins. I have a friend with one. Spect lots of people do here, good points bad points and so on, but they can't be bothered to chat about it - cos you seem to want to disseminate (sp?) and be contrary. You ecven seemed guarded about from whom you wd accept a discussion demanding "first hand knowledge" rather than any other. And this spoils a good exchange of views, some of which may be hugely relevant, some less so. But all easily worth a look, and none of them needing "rounding up"

Put another way, if someone who actually worked for tarquin joined the forum, would they want to offer advice if they risk a (cut and) pasting? I guess not.

In summary - Ease up? A bit?

Hey, and you can totally disagre with all this, makes little or no difference to me! It's just imho.

cheers

matt


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Re: e-debating

Mat
Without any cutting and pasting I think many of your points are valid.

I am just trying to reach a conclusion and so tend to discet so that an outcome can be achieved.

In practice the thread has helped because I have spoken on the phone to thos with first hand experience.





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Re: A debate???

Buy a large sail boat.. they're on the whole cheaper to buy and cheaper to run, you'll have unlimited range and can cook and drink tea to your hearts content whilst underway... albeit at 5-6 knts!




Now is that with a planing hull, semi displacement or full displacement?


(switches off laptop and leaves the room , office , town etc....)

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Over lunch a thought occurred.

Why not invest in a small 7/8000 dwt cargo coasting vessel which will provide the accomodation you seek, has good seakeeping ability and will be able to sit safely on muddy/ sandy bottoms.

You could get your master home trade cert and earn freight on the cargo transported in the holds. That way the the voyage costs are covered and the expense of the operating costs too.


Should have mentioned it before really!



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Re: okey dokey

ok.

also I do think it wd be more use to put up a wider thread asking for views, experiences of tarquin, cos you are thinking of buying a 575, and lettit run. For the volume of posts, not much info about 575's here. Other more open and relaxed threads throw up more info, views, options? But good that you found some info.

also, er the erm mickey taking thread has gotten a bit out of control! Thanks for taking this very well :-)


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Re: okey dokey

dunno, I was really enjoying this one! Gludy does know how to get a rollocking good thread going!

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Re: okey dokey

The mickey taking thread made my day, some of the posts were a real hoot.
If I cannot take it, I should not dish it out and visa versa.
I really am not in the least bit offended - the threads lit up my day.

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Re: OB rating

If I recall correctly the Trader is almost unique in having a negative OB rating. That is achieved becuase the OB on your neighbouring boats either side reduces by one when the Trader parks up (known colloquially as sodding off)

Gludy those Cats have quite noisey exhaust. The Volvo 715 D12 is a superior engine imho, and more fuel efficient. Both engines are similar constructionwise, 2350rpm top. Could you get Trader to build a Volvo powered boat?

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