Cruise Reports Taking our yacht to Sweden for the summer - any 50m marinas?

jimmy_the_builder said:
This is nuts. This guy might very be a troll, or he might not - but who are you to start insisting that people start proving their rw identities to you? I'm not aware of anyone else on this forum who has been required to do this - and rightly so. What a load of nonsense. (And you're asking jfm to act as some kind of identity administrator ... have you agreed this with him? Or even asked him?). Jeez.
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Whilst I partly agree with you the OP has made some pretty outlandish claims and has failed to satisfy some simple requests to prove that this isn't a hoax. If it's a genuine story, all well and good, if it's a wind up then it's a pretty good one!

Either way, I'm certainly not getting het up about it.
 
MapisM said:
Well, according to post #725, there is now at least one of us who received a proof, whether he wanted or not.
In jfm boots, I'd rather bin the PM without opening it - and I hope he will not disclose its content, anyway.
The identity drama is possibly the most entertaining part of this thread... :D
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Unfortunately the thread is so long that even if JFM confirms it, the confirmation is likely to be lost in a flood and more will ask for re-confirmation again and again.

If you look at post #235-#250 or so you'll see an interaction from when I was being particularly aggressive at troll-hunting, found a picture used on "the man"s facebook page, which ended up blocked more or less instantly. Although i'm obviously "unknown" on the forum myself, Henryf was around at the time and noticed the picture get blocked.

I admit it might have been a subtle proof of identity compared to a custard picture, but it served for me.
 
We don't insist that anyone else proves their identity on here, so it seems very unnecessary in this case. I know that some people hereabouts don't want egg on their face for believing one thing or another and some sort of proof would remove the egg or shine a big light on it. However, I'm with lots of others, I find the thread entertaining, including the sleuthing, whilst I just sit on the fence and observe.
 
sorabain said:
Unfortunately the thread is so long that even if JFM confirms it, the confirmation is likely to be lost in a flood and more will ask for re-confirmation again and again.

If you look at post #235-#250 or so you'll see an interaction from when I was being particularly aggressive at troll-hunting, found a picture used on "the man"s facebook page, which ended up blocked more or less instantly. Although i'm obviously "unknown" on the forum myself, Henryf was around at the time and noticed the picture get blocked.

I admit it might have been a subtle proof of identity compared to a custard picture, but it served for me.
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+ I think another reason why people were suspicious is that the forum is generally for under 25m, not 50m vessels, so there's an element of "why are you coming here asking about that?". I've only been here a few years but don't recall any hint of owners of larger recreational vessels posting on here (much as i'd like to see an owner of a sunseeker 110 or similar pop up).

Given that, you have to ask yourself what the OP is getting from continuing this thread. He seems to have got lucky with a few people on here that do have relevant experience despite it being beyond the norm of the forum, but the ratio of "useful posts" to "invasion of privacy" posts is very low (myself in the latter). You'd get more utility out of panning for gold on the Thames.

I fear that if the hounding continues he'll just withdraw completely and we'll miss an opportunity to see this vessel develop.
 
He appears to be a Kiwi version of Elon Musk. A determination to prove others wrong, from the web;

My best friend Brett and I designed the system and wrote the software mostly because the world said it couldn't be done.

If this is for real, good luck, if not, it's been an entertaining thread if nothing else.
 
petem said:
Whilst I partly agree with you the OP has made some pretty outlandish claims and has failed to satisfy some simple requests to prove that this isn't a hoax. If it's a genuine story, all well and good, if it's a wind up then it's a pretty good one!
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Not to mention the fact that for such a super high tech guy he hasnt yet got his head around properly posting pics on the forum:D
 
sorabain said:
+ the ratio of "useful posts" to "invasion of privacy" posts is very low
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Unless i'm mistaken the guy posted both his name and pictures of himself (or who he claims to be) in the collage picture, so I don't understand the continued pretence about personal privacy? If he wanted to prove that he is that person, then he easily could, though of course it's his right to continue to choose not to. Either way, I think we're being trolled to some extent.
 
Nick_H said:
Either way, I think we're being trolled to some extent.
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Well, to a very little extent - if any.
If you go back to the first page, it didn't take long before I posted my first comment pulling the OP leg, sort of.
And jfm raised the troll flag immediately after that.

Though we might be both wrong, as well as other deniers, and as well as the believers.
Aren't forums beautiful? :cool:
 
Cheery said:
He appears to be a Kiwi version of Elon Musk. A determination to prove others wrong, from the web;

My best friend Brett and I designed the system and wrote the software mostly because the world said it couldn't be done.

If this is for real, good luck, if not, it's been an entertaining thread if nothing else.
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I don't think anyone is doubting that Robert Bell is real.

The likelihood of this actually genuinely being Robert Bell however...

Some extremely odd claims of technical specs, some bizarre questions surely better aimed at those actually familiar with the project rather than strangers on a forum (some of which are immediately responded to by 'right, we'll change that then'), 10 months without a single proper picture of the project or the supposed author, just a few MS Paint mock ups of a picture of a ship sourced on line and a weird collage of news clips purporting to be him?

Yes it's very entertaining, but some people do seem to be putting genuine time and effort into trying to help.

Very happy to be proved wrong (which could be done in 30 seconds), but I don't think I'll be holding my breath.
 
ari said:
I don't think anyone is doubting that Robert Bell is real.

The likelihood of this actually genuinely being Robert Bell however...

Some extremely odd claims of technical specs, some bizarre questions surely better aimed at those actually familiar with the project rather than strangers on a forum (some of which are immediately responded to by 'right, we'll change that then'), 10 months without a single proper picture of the project or the supposed author, just a few MS Paint mock ups of a picture of a ship sourced on line and a weird collage of news clips purporting to be him?

Yes it's very entertaining, but some people do seem to be putting genuine time and effort into trying to help.

Very happy to be proved wrong (which could be done in 30 seconds), but I don't think I'll be holding my breath.
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as per posts following #235 he's already put some effort into proving who he is to me, probably also put distinct effort into several other posters here in private too. It's got to be somewhat draining.

If i was in that position (owner of a company with a reputation to uphold), then given the largely negative trend of this thread i'd be inclined to maintain some "plausible deniability" that it was me and not want to definitely prove who I was; or just call it dead and come out and say yeah, sorry, i'm just trolling i'm actually Bob Smith from Dudley, haha lolz... and be able to maintain reputation rather than have to defend yourself to your peers against why you took so much stick from a bunch of boaties when there was little to gain.

then in a few years someone will notice that the person the OP claimed to be actually did buy the ship, and it did actually end up looking somewhat like the original mashup.. was it really..?

In the end he's going to be doing us more of a favour by sharing the development with us than most of us are doing him.
 
sorabain said:
as per posts following #235 he's already put some effort into proving who he is to me, probably also put distinct effort into several other posters here in private too. It's got to be somewhat draining.
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So to be clear, you've had categoric proof that this is the Robert Bell of KlickEx?

sorabain said:
i was in that position (owner of a company with a reputation to uphold), then given the largely negative trend of this thread i'd be inclined to maintain some "plausible deniability" that it was me and not want to definitely prove who I was; or just call it dead and come out and say yeah, sorry, i'm just trolling i'm actually Bob Smith from Dudley, haha lolz... and be able to maintain reputation rather than have to defend yourself to your peers against why you took so much stick from a bunch of boaties when there was little to gain.
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But if it is him, he's not exactly being shy is he? 'Look, here's loads of press reviews with my name in showing everything I'm doing, here's a place card with 'Mr Bell' on it'. Not exactly the actions of a man wishing to keep a low profile (albeit not actually proving anything either - I could create a collage of Richard Branson headlines if I had the time and inclination - maybe even create a 'Mr Branson' place card).



sorabain said:
In the end he's going to be doing us more of a favour by sharing the development with us than most of us are doing him.
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If it's real, yes. If it's not, no because people are wasting time and effort answering questions on a weird fantasy.
 
ari said:
So to be clear, you've had categoric proof that this is the Robert Bell of KlickEx?
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I'm in two minds what to say about "categorical proof" due to my feelings on giving the OP a chance of plausible deniability, and risking disclosing things that puts a greater burden on him. Yeah that sounds very lame, but I can see this quickly going on to being asked to disclose what form of proof I received, then others clamouring for the same.

I started responding again in the last couple of days hoping to dampen things down, but just seem to be adding more fuel to the fire.
 
sorabain said:
as per posts following #235 he's already put some effort into proving who he is to me, probably also put distinct effort into several other posters here in private too. It's got to be somewhat draining.

If i was in that position (owner of a company with a reputation to uphold), then given the largely negative trend of this thread i'd be inclined to maintain some "plausible deniability" that it was me and not want to definitely prove who I was; or just call it dead and come out and say yeah, sorry, i'm just trolling i'm actually Bob Smith from Dudley, haha lolz... and be able to maintain reputation rather than have to defend yourself to your peers against why you took so much stick from a bunch of boaties when there was little to gain.

then in a few years someone will notice that the person the OP claimed to be actually did buy the ship, and it did actually end up looking somewhat like the original mashup.. was it really..?

In the end he's going to be doing us more of a favour by sharing the development with us than most of us are doing him.
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It's not Bob Smith from Dudley, he's too thick to make this up lol.:D:eek:
 
I suppose if someone could be bothered to ask if it is him, a quick email with a link to this thread could be sent to his Linkedin email address.;)
 
Fisherman posted a link to this 'project boat' over in the PBO forum - https://www.findafishingboat.com/steel-trawler-hull/ad-80669
Capital R, at least your boat is a bit closer to completion than this poor thing! :)
Although as was pointed out on Fisherman's thread, one is getting 37 tonnes of diesel thrown in, so the container is almost free.

And the naval architect's impression re what she could be converted into does look rather nice.
https://www.findafishingboat.com/photo-viewer/80669/3

Capital R, we shall look forward to hopefully seeing something similar from your NA soon.
 
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