Sunsail Rip Off

[aod]

Not that there is anything new in that only I just learn't that they charge punters £115 vat for a skipper for the day and yet pay the skipper £65!



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[jhr]

Hmm. Therefore gross margin of 75%. I bet there isn't much profit left after taking off overheads............

Not that I'm trying to defend S**s**l.

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[Jacket]

A boatyard or machine shop charges around £25 an hour for labour, yet the worker is likely to recieve less than £10 of that. Its a standard mark up to cover overheads.

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[aod]

erm...............must be a lot of overheads in making a call and filling a name on a form....................must take at least..................err..........................a minute!

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[Rich_F]

But surely Sunsail will be aiming to cover their overheads on the yacht charter costs? Where the skipper is an "optional extra", I'd have thought that a smaller "arrangement fee" would be more appropriate. Unless they are paying the unoccupied skippers a retainer?

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[longjohnsilver]

Then you've got the costs of advertising and recruitment, insurance, meals, probably safety training etc, so maybe not such a bad deal after all.

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[aod]

Meals...............insurance.........................safety training? What planet are you on they don't provide any of that.

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[colinF]

Something tells me you are not an employer. If you were, you might take a different view, knowing the costs involved in employing someone, even on a casual basis. If you are an employee, I think you would be surprised at what you really cost your employer. I wouldn't, though, more's the pity.

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[sailbadthesinner]

mm but skipper an boat are there to be paid for if boat is out or not
this is not knew
i donot see all of the money i am charged out at
but i donot have to provide my desks ( i have 2 in 2 offices) rent rates bills IT support accounts payroll HR.
ask your mechanic how much of the £85 quid an hour he sees next time you get the car fixed


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[petery]

Ooops?

Gross margin 43.5%... Mark up 76.9% ...IMHO

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[Happy1]

I just checked on the GPS, we are definately on Earth, where are you by the way? /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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[ParaHandy]

Ah guess you're not in permanent employment whereas every other example given by wur illushtrious forumites assumes you are?

A rip off indeed ... did hear one skipper tell me that he had difficulty getting paid - although might not be this lot. Only deals cash up front ...


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[salvex]

Bloody hell! I wouldn't get out of bed for that money!

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[Jeremy_W]

I think this is just about par for the course with temps/ casual workers. In Liverpool hire a menial (been there, seen that, got the T-shirt) accounts clerk at about £6.50/hour and you'll be paying £11.75 - £13.50/hr to the Agency (+VAT) and that sort of mark-up seems pretty typical.

Only very big employers can face down the agencies on this. One household name employer told its agencies, "We're rationalising our list of agencies - you can have (wage + NI) * 130%. Take it or leave it"!

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[andyball]

not outrageous surely? A local boatyard pays some of its workers under £6/h & charges their time at £29/h + vat.

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[themount2]

<not that I'm trying to defend S**S**l>

Me neither, but be fair, the GP on the sale is 43% not 75%. Not unusual for most businesses but I would agree rather a large contribution to overhead if there is no overhead to speak of!!!
Something has got to fund all those boats at Port Solent I see every time I drive home from Gosport.
Have a good weekend everyone

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[jhr]

That\'ll teach me..

...to do things in a hurry on a Friday afternoon. Yes, agreed - 40 ish gross margin, 75 ish mark-up. I still don't reckon there's much profit in it once you've taken off a fixed overhead - and I bet that's the way their thinking works.

Still not trying to defend them!

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[bedouin]

Re: That\'ll teach me..

Sorry I disagree - given these skippers are self-employed, there is very little overhead involved. A 40% mark up would be reasonable if the skippers were full time Scumsail employees, so they pick up NI, sickness and holiday pay.

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[aod]

Mars........................................ igle wonki da dooooo slopty...............................in Earth speak that means ...you pay peanuts you get monkeys.

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[ecudc]

Re: Ooops?

sounds about standard...If I pay my hairdresser 40 quid for a cut and blow dry I would expect her to get about 15 quid of that.

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