Sunsail boat holed

[CharlieAlpha]

All in a days work for their GRP man, they are always doing something around pontoon A (where the SS fleet is 'parked').
If you like your sport on the hairy side, try passing through a SunSail fleet when they are having a go at racing each other

 

[jfm]

Bowline ... a knot that can shake loose under intermittent load

You serious Elessar? I just don't see that. I've never had such a problem with a bowline ever in my life and I don't expect to!
(Admittedly the one in the picture isn't the world's neatest, but it is I think a correctly threaded bowline)

 

[sailorman]

The tail should be in the centre

http://www.animatedknots.com/bowline/

 

[Firefly625]

You serious Elessar? I just don't see that. I've never had such a problem with a bowline ever in my life and I don't expect to!
(Admittedly the one in the picture isn't the world's neatest, but it is I think a correctly threaded bowline)

+1

especially in a mooring line situation without an eye spliced into a warp I often use a bowline especially if cleats are crowded with other lines. Beauty of it is if it gets under real load and tightens up you can always get it undone by breaking its back (the term I use anyway..). But never had one work lose, although as stated that one doesn't look too pretty.

 

[burgundyben]

+1

especially in a mooring line situation without an eye spliced into a warp I often use a bowline especially if cleats are crowded with other lines. Beauty of it is if it gets under real load and tightens up you can always get it undone by breaking its back (the term I use anyway..). But never had one work lose, although as stated that one doesn't look too pretty.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that uses bowlines for mooring warps.

 

[benjenbav]

I have found that bowlines tied in thin (say, 3mm diameter) bungee cord can come loose.

However, I can't recall using such materials for mooring warps.

 

[gjgm]

You serious Elessar? I just don't see that. I've never had such a problem with a bowline ever in my life and I don't expect to!
(Admittedly the one in the picture isn't the world's neatest, but it is I think a correctly threaded bowline)

I believe it is not recommended for climbing as in theory it can work loose -hence it being easy to untie. The consequences of falling down a mountian probably justify the advice.
Stiil, back on the pontoon, it is a good knot for me.

 

[prv]

that lay-up looks dry

I was thinking the same, though maybe the fibres go white again when wrenched apart like that? I don't have much experience looking at such damage

bowline tied wrongly, the little wabbit went the wrong way around the tree

Must have been a Dutchman

I believe it is not recommended for climbing as in theory it can work loose

Possibly maybe on slippery tightly-braided stretchy climbing rope, and even then unlikely with a decent length of tail. But perfectly fine with 3-strand polyester mooring lines.

Pete

 

[jfm]

The tail should be in the centre
http://www.animatedknots.com/bowline/

"Should"? Depends whose rules you are following sailorman! If you rote-follow textbooks then yes. If you do your own thing or the neatness of the inside tail doesn't matter then the left handed bowline, ie the tail end hanging out the side, is a perfectly good knot and performs in the materially the same way as a normal bowline. From those pictures I don't think I'd bet much on that knot being left or right handed tbh!

 

[jfm]

in theory it can work loose

Yes, when not under tension it can loosen if shaken around. If kept under tension then it doesn't work loose. If you use it say to attach a Yamaha outboard engine remote to your keyring, using say 3mm cord, and keep the thing in your pocket while you go for a walk, so the thing is shaken around but the bowline loop isn't in tension, then it can work loose. I know this, and the replacement fobs are £100 each :-/

I also agree with BJB that if you use it with shockcord it can actually slip - you need to tighten the knot hard

 

[No Regrets]

Is that supposed to be a Spring line!? :ambivalence:

Always used to Saggy breasts and tight springs...perhaps it's different with Sailing boats!?

The Hull looks like it was made by Citroen... :disgust:

 

[Firefly625]

....
The Hull looks like it was made by Citroen... :disgust:

Exactly what I thought...

 

[rbcoomer]

Tee boned another sun'sail at chain plate bringing top of mast above spreaders furling gear and rigging down. Fortuitously no one hurt. Deposits lost I guess 

A couple of inches lower and it wouldn't have just been their deposit I bet it wasn't their fault and they were clearly the 'stand on' vessel...

 

[sailorman]

Is that supposed to be a Spring line!? :ambivalence:

Always used to Saggy breasts and tight springs...perhaps it's different with Sailing boats!?

The Hull looks like it was made by Citroen... :disgust:

The Merc equivalent loose their keels

 

[gjgm]

I also agree with BJB that if you use it with shockcord it can actually slip -

Yes, I believe climbers are not keen of shockcord for that very reason !!

 

[Elessar]

You serious Elessar? I just don't see that. I've never had such a problem with a bowline ever in my life and I don't expect to!
(Admittedly the one in the picture isn't the world's neatest, but it is I think a correctly threaded bowline)

yes I'm serious. Guess you use beefier lines than most which un thread less easily. Particular issue on dinghy lines.

 

[Elessar]

. If kept under tension then it doesn't work loose.

i did say "under intermittent load.....

 

[Elessar]

+1

especially in a mooring line situation without an eye spliced into a warp I often use a bowline especially if cleats are crowded with other lines. Beauty of it is if it gets under real load and tightens up you can always get it undone by breaking its back (the term I use anyway..). But never had one work lose, although as stated that one doesn't look too pretty.

you can undo a round turn and 2 half hitches after it's been loaded and when it's still under load.......

If you do want to use a bowline I recommend a long tail and put a hitch in it. Then it is fine.

 

[WF36]

I believe she collided with this one, from what I read on a friends facebook

 

[sailorman]

He looks like a Cambridge undergraduate