Suitable Yacht for around Britain

[dt4134]

I think that this is on of the most bizarre threads I have read.

A chap comes on with his first post to say that his parents are planning a circumnavigation of 'England' in a few years time. They have 70 -90 grand (GBP) - in case we think he meant Chinese Yuan - . They want two cabins 'to maximise comfort' with 'assymetric preferred' (!) 'Comfort is preferred' but 'Hallberg Rassy and Najad is a bit too comfortable'.

Lots of suggestions come forth before we learn that his parents are 'fit and healthy 55 year olds' with, apparently a fair amount of sailing and racing experience. Yet, they seem unable to carry out their own research!

It seems to me that the OP knows a great deal more about the market than most of the people who are responding so I wonder what the point of it all is.

As for the proposed spreadsheet - LOL! If his parents take any notice of that I would be amazed - and disappointed.

Anyway, if it is all genuine then 'chapeau'.

And the most bizarre thing about it is the number of unhelpful responses.

He's been accused of being a troll just because it is his first post.

He's been attacked because he didn't conform to some imaginary set of rules for responding to questions. He even had the audacity to defend himself by saying he had a lot to do (out in the real world). And now he is being attacked for having a little bit of prior knowledge on the subject he's asking about.

It doesn't in the least sound to me like a troll. The choice of a boat is a wide subject with many different opinions and biases and it looks to me like the OP is listening to people's opinions whilst having opinions and a bias of his own.

 

[photodog]

I think its a bit wierd that people think its a troll when someone comes along to a boaty forum.... and wants to talk about boats.

So what the motivation.... What sort of boat would you like to go around the UK in?

Seems like as good a thread as everyone banging on about bloody Rocna anchors.

 

[chinita]

I was the first to suspect this was a troll; for the reasons I have expressed in the second paragraph of my last post.

Giving the benefit of my doubt, I still find the whole thread quite odd. As I have said, the OP seems to have a better than average idea of what his parents want/need.

The puzzle to me is that his parents do not seem to have the interest/ability to enquire on their own behalf.

 

[Willfox]

As for the proposed spreadsheet - LOL! If his parents take any notice of that I would be amazed - and disappointed.

Why? I think that this is perfect to get a good overview of how yachts compare to each other. Why would you be disappointed? What a depressing thing to say. I am sorry that I have got your back up so much that you feel the need to waste your precious time on voicing your disgust for my post.

As for all the helpful personalities on this forum, thanks for your advice, it has proven to be very useful and has ultimately given new yachts for us to look into. The whole aim of the post.

Will

 

[dt4134]

I was the first to suspect this was a troll; for the reasons I have expressed in the second paragraph of my last post.

Giving the benefit of my doubt, I still find the whole thread quite odd. As I have said, the OP seems to have a better than average idea of what his parents want/need.

The puzzle to me is that his parents do not seem to have the interest/ability to enquire on their own behalf.

"A chap comes on with his first post to say that his parents are planning a circumnavigation of 'England' in a few years time. They have 70 -90 grand (GBP) - in case we think he meant Chinese Yuan - . They want two cabins 'to maximise comfort' with 'assymetric preferred' (!) 'Comfort is preferred' but 'Hallberg Rassy and Najad is a bit too comfortable'."

So he's a troll because he calls the island of Britain, England? Or because he has a budget in mind? Or because he has some bias towards assymetrics (perhaps he even likes the J109)? Or because he considers an HR or Najad a bit old and stuffy?

No doubt he has opinions of his own. No doubt his parents do too. You could even speculate that they want an HR or Najad and he's trying to twist their arm to get a J109 or similar. That's between them. It wouldn't be a world's first that a son is trying to influence what his parents buy.

It's a yachting forum and he's asked for opinions on boats for a certain purpose. Those that feel like giving an opinion can, those that can't be bothered don't need to do so. There's no need to attack him though.

Anyway, I'm off down the pub now for a few beers and a chat and am off to work in the morning, so that's why I won't be responding for a while myself.

 

[Searush]

Willfox,
The spreadsheet thing is a litle "dodgy" because you can only really compare the things that can be measured on a spreadsheet. Most of the people on here know that the difference between buying boat A & boat Z has little to do with marginal measurable differences in ballast ratio, pointing ability or whatever you choose to measure. It has to do with condition, equipment levels, rig or sail plan & condition, cabin layouts, perhaps the current owner even, or where it is for sale. There are a thousand little "unmeasurables" that affect most sales.

Enjoy your research, it will be lots of fun, but don't be surprised if the final decision is entirely of the heart rather than the head.

 

[chewi]

What is it with you guys? He's entitled to choose his own tool kit to help him decide!

I wouldn't choose a boat from a spreadsheet alone (and nor would the OP I'm sure), but I'd certainly use one to list & compare all the known features of the boats I researched so I could filter them & dismiss the unsuitables, then maybe make a shortlist to go shopping.


Chill.

 

[rib]

i think its a suprise gift for mum and dad,and like a good son hes showing his appreciation

 

[planteater]

Seven page thread!

 

[John_Silver]

Why? I think that this is perfect to get a good overview of how yachts compare to each other. Why would you be disappointed? What a depressing thing to say. I am sorry that I have got your back up so much that you feel the need to waste your precious time on voicing your disgust for my post.

As for all the helpful personalities on this forum, thanks for your advice, it has proven to be very useful and has ultimately given new yachts for us to look into. The whole aim of the post.

Will

Well.....going back to your original question.......IMHO it'd be worth reconsidering that "No Rassy's" start point. I speak only as a very happy HR310 owner. She's sailing in 8 knots of breeze when others are motoring, is comfortable out in livlier stuff as you'd expect and, yes, she's a very comfortable home. On a modern Rassy though that comfort doesn't come at the expense of passagemaking speed. Flies an asymetric too. No downsides I can think of!

 

[chinita]

Yeah, ok everyone, carry on.

 

[Kukri]

You can sail round Britain quickly - not stopping much or at all - or slowly - maybe daysailing and anchoring or mooring every night - at least one Victorian yachtsman made the trip sleeping ashore in an hotel every night!

Dylan is doing it even slower than that!

That has quite an impact on the sort of boat that you want.

 

[awol]

When I bought my boat, actually well before, I put together the YM A-Z of yachts in a folder; read far too many magazines; looked at what was about in marinas and the boats that looked good sailing; generated a must have / nice to have / definitely not list; made up a spreadsheet of the gear and extras of my short list of boats; talked to all my boat owning friends and then bought the type of boat I'd been thinking about from the start. Tiller steered, winches and mainsheet in easy reach, reasonably close winded, comfy deep cockpit, not reliant on form stability - and a lot more which ticked my boxes for the sailing I wanted to do.

I could take the OP's question more seriously if there had been some indication of what kind of sailing his oldies were envisaging and where they were considering keeping it. The "round England" trip in the kind of boat he mentioned is a couple of months at the most - is that all they want the boat for? Ah well, it's their money.

 

[Searush]

(snip)
The "round England" trip in the kind of boat he mentioned is a couple of months at the most - is that all they want the boat for? Ah well, it's their money.

Tell that to Dylan, or Nathan or many others that have struggled to maintain deadlines against bad weather, gear failures, job commitments, cash constraints, health issues, or whatever. Maybe the OP's parents have unlimited funds & as much time off as they need, with no family or company commitments, but if so, they are very fortunate.

 

[snooks]

The time to do a circumnavigation of the UK (and prehaps Ireland) depends on the owner, their plan and the weather.

Chris on the staff here at YM did around Britian and Ireland in less than 14 days. Non stop of course, but nowhere in the OP did they mention they (or their parents) want to stop

Up in Orkney we met someone who was going around UK and Ireland on their own, they left a month later than us and got back before us. Their plan was to do long sailing legs and spend a week in each place.

I read a nice quote the other day....

Cruising to a deadline isn't cruising, it's racing

 

[[2574]]

The perfect boat I would suggest....

....is this: http://www.nauticat.com/preowned_nauticats/nauticat_35_2000

You did say that the budget wasn't crtitical for the perfect boat! I have a Nauticat 39 and for northern waters I reckon they take some beating. Be aware that there are two styles of Nauticat - the motor sailor (which most folk know of) and the pilot house yacht. The N35 as above is of the latter style.

rob

 

[jonic]

....is this: http://www.nauticat.com/preowned_nauticats/nauticat_35_2000

You did say that the budget wasn't crtitical for the perfect boat! I have a Nauticat 39 and for northern waters I reckon they take some beating. Be aware that there are two styles of Nauticat - the motor sailor (which most folk know of) and the pilot house yacht. The N35 as above is of the latter style.

rob

Ok if the budgets out the window I would go in a Nauticat 42 !

 

[boomerangben]

I admire your scientific approach - spreadsheets and polars. All very well but sea states change drastically as you progress around these fair isles. If a scientific approach was of much use all boats would look the same. Perhaps more important is that it seem your parents have not owned a boat of this size before? Owning and borrowing are different ball games. Interesting conundrums. Just about any boat can do it. But what can your Parents do? The boat I'd take around cans is not the one I'd take around the country. The east coast of England is not the north coast of Scotland.

 

[Willfox]

If anyone is interested, I have attached the parametric spread sheet taking into account the suggested yachts from the members on the forum. Thanks again for all your help. I hope you will find it interesting. I think that you may be able to see that it is a usefull tool in being able to compare different yachts of similar lengths and can give you an appreciation as to how a yacht may perform or feel e.g. tender or stiff etc.

Anyway, I wasnt here just to cause a bit of banter. I am genunily using the information people have given me to broaden my knowledge of the market. thanks to the guys who could see that.

Will

 

[Trop Cher]

The east coast of England is not the north coast of Scotland.

But, they're not sailing round the north coast of Scotland.