Stepping up to a proper yacht - update

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As a shortcut to getting our restoration Trident 24 back in the water we bought another one in february. Some of you chaps may remember our posts about planning and executing the return trip from Portsmouth to Southampton.
We did so on the 27th of February, a hellish cold day just before the snows. It was the first time we had ever handled a yacht that size alone, and an adventure of its own, with very strong winds, and a snowstorm added to the mix.
We came home safe and well, and from that day on we have been out at every opportunity, between one and 5 days a week, stayed over, fixed, fettled and enjoyed.
As dinghy and microcruiser sailors, it has been gratifying to realise how transferable the skills are to a bigger boat.
Far from daunted now, we are absolutely loving having a cooker that isnt strapped to a thwart in the open air, a cabin, a loo, decent VHF, satnav ( karen likes it, I still refuse to look at it) but most of all, a reliable inboard engine.
It did feel like cheating initially, and everyone told us that once you have it you will use it, and by George, it is true, BUT it so enhances the experience, and makes getting out at any opportunity so much easier as we have a narrow sliver of river to negotiate.
The only problem we are still having, is the force of habit/autopilot of dinghy explorers - and not adapting our thinking at times to the dashed great fin hanging under the hull.
Our sole real ignominy due directly yo our (my) cavalier attitude to depth was running aground at Eling and having to be dragged out by a flubber and a Jetski. Purely because I just went the way we always went before without a thought.
It has been a great pleasure to be out in a yacht, and less challenging than we ever imagined. easier than a dinghy, especially further out. We do miss the immediacy of the water being so close in a dinghy, but have been very pleasantly surprised at the agility of this 50 year old boat, it is great fun to chuck around.
The Solent seems a smaller place in a bigger boat, and the security of an engine and the comfort of a cabin serves to have eroded a little of our healthy respect for the wiles of these waters, and we now merrily plough on where before we would have laid up and camped ashore or gone home.

It now really feels like the beginning of the adventure we have always dreamed of and trained for all this time.
So thank you Solent, for being our teacher, , mostly kind, never cruel, and almost always forgiving of our mistakes. I love you dearly my steadfast companion for all you have given me. You will always be home, but this year we will be venturing further without the aid of a trailer.
And thank you all, for your words of encouragement and advice. It has served us very well indeed.
Hurrah for the PBO'ers
 
I'm still learning from the Solent after 30+ years, but it is nice to make a passage and arrive in another country or even another county. Oh yes and do remember the keel.
 
Great post. I know the Solent can get a pasting but I think it's a fabulous place to sail with so many opportunities for exploring. Keep it up and you never stop learning!!
 
Evening, Glad to hear you are both enjoying the Trident, as a friend of mine said in my first season he was really envious because in your first year with a new boat its all so exciting and an adventure, was out on Saturday myself, went to Priory Bay, had breakfast then on to Osbourne Bay nr. Cowes, weather very changeable but great to be back out again, will keep an eye open for you when out in the Solent, are you joining us at Emsworth in June for the T.O.A. 50th, should be quite good fun, Keep us updated with your adventures and fair winds.
 
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Great post. I know the Solent can get a pasting but I think it's a fabulous place to sail with so many opportunities for exploring. Keep it up and you never stop learning!!

I do feel very privileged to be born and bought up yards from the water. I do almost wish sometimes I had not moved away into the military in earl;y adulthood, and done what some of my friends did then, and gained expertise in my 20s. But for Karen and I, it all feels so right to have gently eased back in with dinghys, small yachts, and now a W"proper" yacht. It might look like mid life crisis to the casual observer, but if so it is one we have earned dragging dinghys about the place, sailing open boats in all seasons and weathers, showing our mettle against disaster, rejoicing the those great sailing moments in ways that I cannot encapsulate in words, and just sticking at it.
To be let loose on the water, skating a boat across the face of the planet, is the most glorious experience. We will get out there, explore, experience triumph and disaster, and as we go from middle to old age, still be learning and living every day anew
 
Evening, Glad to hear you are both enjoying the Trident, as a friend of mine said in my first season he was really envious because in your first year with a new boat its all so exciting and an adventure, was out on Saturday myself, went to Priory Bay, had breakfast then on to Osbourne Bay nr. Cowes, weather very changeable but great to be back out again, will keep an eye open for you when out in the Solent, are you joining us at Emsworth in June for the T.O.A. 50th, should be quite good fun, Keep us updated with your adventures and fair winds.

We were out saturday too. Yes we hope to be at the 50th, and hopefully in the one we are finishing the resto on. Fingers crossed
 
Where abouts did you go on Saturday ? Also will you be booking Spithead for your fleet review this year, if you could let me know when I`ll try and get there, all jokes aside be good if you can make it with both Tridents for the 50th celebrations and look forward to hearing more of your adventures.
 
The only problem we are still having, is the force of habit/autopilot of dinghy explorers - and not adapting our thinking at times to the dashed great fin hanging under the hull.

Heh. I was the same on switching from a Cornish Yawl to a conventional fin-keeled yacht. Neither are quite as good in the shallows as a dinghy, of course, but the Yawl had relatively shallow draft, a traditional long and gently sloping keel, and small bilge fins to keep her upright:

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Also the layup was extremely substantial, and the bottom foot or two of the hull was a solid block of steel-impregnated resin. Overall, while I might not have been able to lift a centreboard and sail away, hitting the bottom held no fears whatsoever. I once hit a solid mud-and-gravel bank at about five knots (went the wrong side of an unlit marker post at night, aiming for the next lit one without having noticed in daylight the slight jink in the channel). With that smooth sloping keel, she just slid gently up onto the top of it and stopped, no harm done.

That time I had to put my dinner on and wait for the tide to come back, but for less dramatic groundings running up to the bow or even out onto the end of the bowsprit would often raise the stern (the deepest part of the keel) enough to unstick and back out. A couple of times having motored onto the mud, I unrolled the jib and sheeted it hard to windward, and the leverage of it right out at the end of the bowsprit was enough to drag the boat around that stern pivot-point and get her out.

Anyway, that boat trained me not to worry overmuch about getting friendly with the seabed, so on switching to something a little less bombproof with a deep, narrow fin it did take me a little while to adjust, and for a season or two I probably cut it a bit finer from time to time than was really wise... :)

Pete
 
Made me smile I have a friend who is doing up a Trident, he also bought another one to help speed up the process! The 2nd one he bought has a lift keel - look like great boats! Good luck!
 
Where abouts did you go on Saturday ? Also will you be booking Spithead for your fleet review this year, if you could let me know when I`ll try and get there, all jokes aside be good if you can make it with both Tridents for the 50th celebrations and look forward to hearing more of your adventures.

we went down to hamble, then back up to the test, Eling, then watched both the liners depart in the afternoon.
 
Made me smile I have a friend who is doing up a Trident, he also bought another one to help speed up the process! The 2nd one he bought has a lift keel - look like great boats! Good luck!

we bought the second one with the intention of it being just a donor, but it was so up together it would have been silly to rip it apart and end up with two project boats. As it is now three of our four boats are in the water and useable, dinghy, microcruiser, and Trident. We will use the dinghy more once the water warms up - trident ownership has softened us up already! The 18ft microcruiser though, I cannot really see us using any more, so it will have to go. We will probably give it away to a prospective sailor who wants a learner boat.
 
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That time I had to put my dinner on and wait for the tide to come back, but for less dramatic groundings running up to the bow or even out onto the end of the bowsprit would often raise the stern (the deepest part of the keel) enough to unstick and back out. A couple of times having motored onto the mud, I unrolled the jib and sheeted it hard to windward, and the leverage of it right out at the end of the bowsprit was enough to drag the boat around that stern pivot-point and get her out.

Anyway, that boat trained me not to worry overmuch about getting friendly with the seabed, so on switching to something a little less bombproof with a deep, narrow fin it did take me a little while to adjust, and for a season or two I probably cut it a bit finer from time to time than was really wise... :)

Pete

Thanks Pete, I love that picture, there is something so very evocative about seeing a boat up on a beach like that. Our next boat, if we manage to seal the deal, is going to be a fin keeler - we really enjoyed camping ashore in the dinghy, and we would like to try it in a bigger yacht

EDIT< I MEANT NEXT BOAT BILGE KEELER!!!!
 
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Like you, I moved up fron dinghies to trailer sailers and then to small yachts, but many years ago. Also like you, I didn’t like to use the sat nav at first, until one day I took the lines of a Hurley 22 arriving at a pontoon single handed. I noticed a small 5 inch chart plotter positioned under the spray hood. When I saw how useful it was I bought one and am really glad I did. You don’t have to be a slave to it but mine has stopped me from running aground on several occasions. With all the dodging about necessary because of the traffic in the Solent, it makes life that much easier.
 
I enjoyed your post
It made me think of my own first sailboat a 24ft project which was lots of fun.
We never went very far but we really enjoyed a lot of short trips exploring nearby islands.
 
Nothing beats dinghy experience when it comes to trimming sails and sailing efficiently!
One of the major differences is, of course, the draft... as you have already found out. The other is the momentum of a heavier boat that is moving through the water and the distance that it needs in order to stop where the helmsman wants; the heavier the boat, the longer is the stopping distance. However, one soon gets used to these in the same subconscious manner that we get used to the four corners of our car and the efficiency of our brakes.
Fair Winds and Fair Weather whenever you need them!
:encouragement:
 
The Solent seems a smaller place in a bigger boat, and the security of an engine and the comfort of a cabin serves to have eroded a little of our healthy respect for the wiles of these waters, and we now merrily plough on where before we would have laid up and camped ashore or gone home.

Don't worry, you'll soon scare yourself back into a proper attitude ;) - but the boat will cope

I have a Snapdragon 24 and I reckon that conditions would have to be pretty extreme for me not to be willing to come home if I had to, but if I'm likely to need the second reef, the Admiral tends to issue instructions relating to staying put if we're aboard and going home if we're ashore.
 
Thanks Pete, I love that picture, there is something so very evocative about seeing a boat up on a beach like that.

Yes. The newer boat is more comfortable to live on, and much better for getting to further-away places like Falmouth and St Malo, but I do miss the ability to get into drying harbours or park on the beach. One of my regrets is that while we owned Kindred Spirit we never managed to get down to the West Country to dry out in places like Mousehole.

Pete
 
I really like your posts. They bring back memories of our first 'big' yacht, an Achilles 24. Like you we stepped up from dinghies (Enterprises in our case), and just went for it. I had a fair knowledge of navigation and pilotage, as, also like you, I was brought up yards from the sea, but looking back, we were very green. Our first trip was from Rye to Brighton. We were absolutely terrified. But we made it.
The Solent is much maligned, but it still provides good sailing and interesting places if you avoid weekends! Good sailing.
 
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