Stepping up to a proper yacht - next lesson.

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Karen and I have taken every opportunity to get out in the Trident during the last few weeks, and we have pretty much mastered the basics now.
Lazyjacks that were a pain are now an absolute boon, and all our small boat and dinghy skills have transferred well, once we got used to winching, and the inspiration one day that a gentler gybe made things a hundred times easier for karen with the jib. (Thanks Tom Cunliffe for that one)
It is very thrilling to heel a bigger boat over and go fast. Of course our meanderings are probably quite sedate compared to some of you modern experienced types, but we have grown hugely in confidence. Any weather we have had was better than the day we picked it up in February, and we survived that, so onwards and upwards, and all that!
Lurking in a locker is a spinnaker. Laying on the deck, looking all innocent, is a pole. They seem harmless enough sat there, so that is where they have remained until now. I must admit I have a degree of tepidation about using the thing, I know how in theory, but have never executed hoisting, trimming or dropping by myself.
As Karen is not mad about me going forward and mucking about with sails, we will only be using it in very light winds. In the next few weeks we will begin practice, beginning with setting up the rig and the stringy bits that attach to the flappy bits. As part of this process I want to maximise the ease of use - On a Budget - so I am thinking of maybe having a spinnaker sock made - I have a sailmaker who could do this cheaply for me if it would be useful on our little 24ft boat. I have a load of thin ripstop fabric. I am guessing the sock will be the prefect way to store the sail too.
I WILL be doing this pretty much single handed, so I need to work out an easy safe way of doing it, or just not bother, so any input gratefully received as always.
The Ladybird Book of Sailing and Boating got us this far, alongside a few other publications, and lots of practice.
I can even go astern now, and berthing has become a much less stressful experience - in fact it has made me a bit of a show off when we come alongside, but I daresay I will get it wrong and be humbled again soon enough.
This spinnaker thing is the last thing I really want to master. We have anchor practice to do also, but that is just a metter of getting used to handling the particular chain etc. I have had it out of the locker, marked it all up, and we are good to go on that.
But that spinnaker.... Haunted by it, beckoning me to have a go.
 
Pick your day and do it! There's plenty online about how to hoist and drop a kite. Can I ask, have you sailed with kites in your dinghy days?
 
I have sailed with and without a socked spinnaker and on the whole I think that I found it easier without. We used to raise the spinnaker on our 26'-er from a turtle, usually leaving the jib up, only bringing the pole round to catch the wind once we were ready but opening the sail with the sheet first. Bringing it down was just as easy by freeing the tack and lowering into the companionway. I'm no expert on spinnakers but we never got into trouble, though I did have the advantage of our 10-yr-old son available at the helm.
 
thanks, we should I suppose just give it a try, see how we get on with it, and decide from there about messing about and spending money. Very little wind this weekend I think, so might have a go.
 
Spinnakers are great fun. I sail my 32ft Fulmar singlehanded and set the spinnaker. A sock is not much use in my opinion, so do not bother getting one made. Johnalison gives a good indication of what to do. The only addition I would add is when about to drop the spinnaker, to bring the sheet to deck level at the forward end of the cockpit. You can use a snatch block or a rope. This means the leach stays behind the mainsail and makes it very easy to drop in to the cockpit or hatch.



Definitely start with light winds and once set, just sit back and relax enjoying the view.
 
Its meant to be fairly calm this weekend in the Solent, sunny too, decent weather for a practice.

ill be out i know that much!
 
To put the other side of the argument, I too have a spinny lurking in my loft, where it will remain.

I put it up once on a dead run and it made next to no difference in speed compared to sailing goose winged (main one side, poled out genny on the other), and I reckon I can get rid of a poled out genoa a helluva lot quicker than a spinny when I need to.
 
I put it up once on a dead run and it made next to no difference in speed compared to sailing goose winged (main one side, poled out genny on the other), and I reckon I can get rid of a poled out genoa a helluva lot quicker than a spinny when I need to.
The photo I posted of my 32ft Fulmar in #6 was taken by a Dutch yacht I was passing through his lee. A Bavaria 36 with poled out genoa. His wife would not let him set their spinnaker, but I just walked away from him. This was a photo taken less than 5 minutes earlier.



This photo was taken 18 minutes later.



So Stemar, your comment there is no difference between a poled out genoa and a spinnaker is totally wrong.
 
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"I can even go astern now, and berthing has become a much less stressful experience - in fact it has made me a bit of a show off when we come alongside, but I daresay I will get it wrong and be humbled again soon enough."


I think problems solved are always interesting.
How did you crack your tricky berthing problem then? What is the advice you would have given yourself a couple of months ago?
 
"I can even go astern now, and berthing has become a much less stressful experience - in fact it has made me a bit of a show off when we come alongside, but I daresay I will get it wrong and be humbled again soon enough."


I think problems solved are always interesting.
How did you crack your tricky berthing problem then? What is the advice you would have given yourself a couple of months ago?

practice practice practice, and wait for the boat to respond instead of over correcting, and abort early and try again if it isnt going well! The only thing that was really tricky was going from forward to going astern, if i got it wrong in that initial phase before the boat had speed it was hard going, but after that it was all just practice.
 
Spinnakers are great fun. I sail my 32ft Fulmar singlehanded and set the spinnaker. A sock is not much use in my opinion, so do not bother getting one made. Johnalison gives a good indication of what to do. The only addition I would add is when about to drop the spinnaker, to bring the sheet to deck level at the forward end of the cockpit. You can use a snatch block or a rope. This means the leach stays behind the mainsail and makes it very easy to drop in to the cockpit or hatch.



Definitely start with light winds and once set, just sit back and relax enjoying the view.

It is dropping it safely that has been bothering me, that sounds like a good plan.
 
To put the other side of the argument, I too have a spinny lurking in my loft, where it will remain.

I put it up once on a dead run and it made next to no difference in speed compared to sailing goose winged (main one side, poled out genny on the other), and I reckon I can get rid of a poled out genoa a helluva lot quicker than a spinny when I need to.

I have not run this boat goose winged yet, something else we will have a go at, and something I am more familiar with than a kite....
 
Its meant to be fairly calm this weekend in the Solent, sunny too, decent weather for a practice.

ill be out i know that much!
Yes, it is going to be the first really busy weekend i think. On Sunday we saw a few others out, but not exactly a crowd. We will be out tomorrow too, maybe have a go then before the hoardes descend
 
If you can find someone to go out for an couple of hours kite drills one evening, I think that might help.
An extra pair of hands really is a bonus when you're not familiar with the gear.
Also being able to let someone else sail the boat while you move around the boat looking at everything from different angles can really help.
Sometimes it's not obvious what's going on from the helm position.
 
If you can find someone to go out for an couple of hours kite drills one evening, I think that might help.
An extra pair of hands really is a bonus when you're not familiar with the gear.
Also being able to let someone else sail the boat while you move around the boat looking at everything from different angles can really help.
Sometimes it's not obvious what's going on from the helm position.

yes, an extra pair of hands besides Karen would be a good idea, I would bring my son along, but he has just been rather unceremoniously dumped by his very long term - and first - girlfriend, and he might find the cold embrace of the foaming deep too darkly seductive in his heartbroken state :rolleyes:
 
Yes, it is going to be the first really busy weekend i think. On Sunday we saw a few others out, but not exactly a crowd. We will be out tomorrow too, maybe have a go then before the hoardes descend

its going to be very busy just been ringing around marinas and "no room at the inn"

i can see me getting somewhere and having to turn around :( must be able to sneak in somewhere last minute!
 
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